Review: 2007 Toyota Prius

Sun Dec 30 04:50:08 -0800 2007
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I've owned a Toyota Prius for half a year so far, here's my experience.

Miles per Gallon

The Prius is a feel-good vehicle for those of us who are concerned with our impact on the earth, and for whom an all-electric car isn't yet practical. The affordable electrics were too limited in both speed and range to be practical when I bought, perhaps they'll improve by next time. I live at the top of the Berkeley (California) hills, and going anywhere requires an 800 foot descent, and a climb on the way back. Unfortunately, the Prius battery can't store nearly enough power to make the climb, which runs at between 8 to 12 miles per gallon as reported on the video screen. If I lived in the flat area of town, I'd probably be getting about 50 miles per gallon average, as that's what I get on highway trips and the Prius can generally improve upon its highway mileage during local trips. With that frequent climb, I get 42 MPG. That's still pretty good.

Pollution

The Prius is classified as a Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle. The engine seems to be very clean, because it's an Atkinson cycle and only runs at one RPM there is no smell of unburnt hydrocarbons. It's funny, but I now notice the smell of other cars more when standing next to them. The engineering is set up with low pollution as the primary goal, mileage second. For example, the engine management will try to get warm quickly as it pollutes less when warm, and this overrides the goal of economy which would be achieved by not running the engine. It goes to great lengths to stay warm, transferring the coolant to an internal thermos bottle when parked.

Safety

The car has active anti-skid (which really works) and front and side curtain air bags. Seat covers must have special cut-outs for the air bags, and there are spots on the dash where aftermarket equipment can not be mounted for risk of becoming a projectile during airbag deployment.

Size

The Prius is a pretty big car inside. One reason it's a mid-sized car outside is that the hood is short. It's a pretty small engine. The hood is also sloping, and you don't really see the hood while driving because of that. Valerie and I are both tall, and it's comfortable for us in the front seat. We have to move the seats up somewhat to handle tall adults in the rear seat, but it's still workable. The battery isn't that big either, and it's just behind the rear seat, leaving lots of room for storage in the rear hatch. If you need to carry something big, the rear seat folds down. It's split 60/40, so you can still carry a passenger, maybe even two, with part of the seat folded down.

Out of Gas

I have run the car out of gas twice. From a highway, I was able to get to a nearby gas station on the battery alone. Another time, going up a steep hill, the Prius didn't have the power to continue the climb, but was able to get to a gas station on the battery once I turned around. This trick won't work for much of a distance. The Prius does beep and display a video message when it's low on fuel, and the gas gauge blinks. You have to ignore all of that to run out of gas.

Package

There are lots of packages to choose from. I bought one with the electronic key, the less expensive radio, the back-up camera, and the anti-skid system. You can easily add $10K to the price of the Prius if you get Navigation with speech recognition, the nicer JBL stereo with DVD changer and Bluetooth speaker-phone, and the "touring" package with 1-inch bigger wheels, maybe some chassis improvements.

Power

The car is peppy enough for my needs, though no racer. It climbs steep hills successfully if not economically.

Visibility

The backup camera is a great help, because the rear window visibility isn't very good. The camera is wonderfully clear during the day and works pretty well at night, too. Judging distance on the screen is nothing like judging it through the mirrors. I'm so spoiled by the downward-pointing back camera that I'd like a front one just for finding curbs, etc. The Prius is low, I think the wheels are only 16 inches in diameter. You can do significant damage to the car by hitting an over-high curb during parking or a turn.

Height and Weight

The car is lower than others that I've driven, and the wheels are smaller. It's not a good car for poor roads, and it gets pushed around in high winds.

Anti-Skid

The Prius won't spin a wheel. It refuses to do so. The anti-skid stuff activates surprisingly often, there's a big bright light to inform the driver when it does. It controls the throttle, and the four brakes individually. It has individual tachometers per wheel.

If there's gravel on the road, or if your wheel catches a little air over a bump, the anti-skid system will be activated. Which is fine. The only annoying thing is that if you try to pop into a wheel-spinning sharp left turn from a stop, the anti-skid system takes away all of the power for a moment and you do the turn without spinning wheels. That only has to happen once to train the driver not to make left turns with oncoming traffic too close.

Navigation

I didn't buy the navigation system, because the annual updates to it cost as much as a stand-alone navigation system, and the initial cost of the system added thousands to the price of the car. I have a Tom-Tom sitting on top of the multi-function display.

Noise

It's not as quiet as a large luxury car, but it's quiet enough.

Key

The Prius uses an electronic key. In all but the lowest feature package, the electronic key doesn't have to leave your pocket, it is a radio transceiver and will authenticate itself to the car and let you open the door and push the "On" button. In normal operation the metal part of the key never contacts a lock.

One of the most annoying things about the Prius, unfortunately a feature shared with most contemporary vehicles, is that it can't be driven with a metal key copy, one must use the electronic key. A metal key copy will open the door but will set off the alarm when it does so, and you'll need the electronic key to reset it. RF-driven electronics will refuse to lock the doors from outside when the key is inside the car. If you want to successfully lock the electronic key inside the car, you must put it in a metal box that acts as a Faraday cage. I'm a kayaker and a skier, and taking the electronic key along with me during those activities is a hardship.

Because of a nuisance government regulation, the Prius has anti-theft electronics, and that's why metal key copies won't work. The car comes with two electronic keys. Additional electronic keys cost about $200, and in the 2007 model it's not clear whether they can be installed by anyone but the dealer.

Video

I bought the Coastal Electronics Ultimate Lockpick III just to enable the video input on the multi-function display. It works excellently to display the video output of the Icom 7000 ham radio on the multi-function display. It's really cool to have an integrated ham radio display in the dashboard. The 2007 Prius still uses NTSC-style composite video, but a transaction on the "entertainment bus" is necessary to enable the video input, thus the Coastal device. The first time the video input is used after powering up the car, a hint about how to access the DVD controls is displayed, and you have to push "OK" to see the video. This is of course wrong for the device I'm using, and I don't know if there's any way to disable the hint.

RFI

Although I have a HF ham radio on the car, I can't operate most HF ham bands while the car is moving. The electrical propulsion system generates too much RFI for me to hear other stations. I've not started to work on RFI suppression yet, and the one person who has reported some success in RFI-suppressing the Prius claims to have put more than 200 hours of work into the project. Prius uses bundle shielding and thus any wire in the bundles with the power wires will radiate. VHF and UHF work fine, and I'm content to use HF while parked for now.

Hitch

I am using the Curt bolt-on receiver hitch to hold a bicycle rack or a ham radio antenna. This requires no drilling, but does need a slot cut in one of the under-body protective panels. The Curt tends to be slightly bent when shipped due to manufacturing process problems. Two units were tested, the first was much too bent to use and I had to push on the other with a cargo bar to get the holes aligned.

Using the hitch receiver for a bicycle rack is best, because it doesn't contact the body and mess it up as a trunk or roof rack would. The Prius doesn't have the power reserve necessary for pulling a real trailer. Some have used small cargo trailers successfully.

I tried and do not recommend the Coastal Electronics hitch, it's too flexible, and I had to return mine because the bicycle rack was doing the hula. The Curt hitch is much stiffer, contains much more metal, costs less, and doesn't have problems with clearance past the exhaust pipe as the Coastal hitch does.

Ham Radio Antenna

I'm using the Curt receiver hitch to mount a Tarheel Antennas model 300 screwdriver antenna for HF. The antenna is tall enough so that the base of the adjustable coil is at the roof-line of the car. The antenna was supplied with a 6-foot whip. I added a quick-release, and two stiff springs to protect the coil from being broken if the whip hits something. For some reason the 300 is not on Tarheel's web site, although they sold it at Dayton Hamvention.

Antenna Auto-Tuner

I am using the 7000 Screwdriver Control and 7000 Tune Control from BetterRF. This is unlike any other screwdriver tuner I found in that it integrates with the IC-7000 and uses the 7000's SWR measuring electronics, so there is no RF connection to the tuner. It's not working yet, perhaps I'm getting RF feedback from the motor lead back into the screwdriver controller.

Ham Radio Mounting

I removed the insides of the left trunk pocket and there was enough space for the IC-7000 and accessories in there. The 12 volt battery is in the right pocket. This doesn't interfere with the middle cargo box or the spare tire.

Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Sun Dec 30 06:56:36 -0800 2007
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I've owned an old Peugeot 405 diesel for about two years now, I bought it off e-bay UK for £199.

105" wheelbase, 173" long, 67" wide, 57" high, kerb weight 2249 lb unladen, 3153lb laden, 4 door, 4 seat, styling by Pininfarina. About 2.5 million units sold worldwide.

MPG

The 1905 cc non turbo diesel produces 90 bhp at 4600 RPM, and 88 ft/lb or torque at 2000 RPM, gearing in top (5th) gear is 25 mph per 1000 rpm, 0-60 mph is about 15 seconds, top speed around the ton.

Official government combined urban cycle mpg for these 20 year old cars was 46 mpg.

In practice on dual carriageway or motorway at a steady 60 mph you get 60 mpg, worst case scenario start-stop short trips in town traffic I get 40 mpg.

With a standard 15 gallon fuel tank, you get a minimum range of 600 miles around town, head straight to the motorway and you're looking at 900 miles, so I can fill up here, (south west UK) drive east right across the Uk to the channel tunnel, into france and hit the Mediterrenean at Marsailles on fumes.

SIZE

Ample room inside, 6 footers can sit in the rear seats and not have their knees anywhere near the rear of the front seats, the 405 was well known as being a good car for adaption for the wheelchair bound, I have carried things as diverse as adult mountain bikes and 34" Hantarex CRT monitors simply by opening one rear door and chucking the item in onto the rear seat.

The boot / trunk is also quite large, I've put 3HP workshop air compressors and a bunch of tools in and simply closed the lid on it.

DRIVING

Peugeot were always known as a drivers car, plenty of curves around here where "sports" car owners brake, I let the Pug coast into them at 40 mph essentially underbraking the sports cars, and she goes around the corners with little body roll.

Pickup off the line is surprisingly good for a non turbo 2 litre 4 pot diesel, if you keep the motor burbling above 2500 RPM, in real traffic this is enough acceleration to make a policeman look at you, below 2500 rpm things are more sedate, too slow for the younger drivers, but in reality fast enough.

Ride quality is good, Pug 405 were immensely popular as a taxi, comfortable, economical and reliable.

They didn't really have any weak points, the inevitable periodic timing belt replacements, bodies didn't rust, parts were cheap (22 uk pounds for two new Brembo disks for the front, 50 quid for pads all round, etc) and a quarter of a million miles on the clock was nothing exceptional.

I don't really lift the bonnet on mine from month to month, oil consumption is essentially zero, electric windows just work, as do electric rear view mirrors, electric sunroofs used to stick if not used regularly...

NOISE

From outside you can hear it's a diesel, no mistake, from inside there is very heavy soundproofing, so engine and road noise very muted indeed.

SUMMARY

So far I've had two years of totally trouble and breakdown free motoring in my 199 UK pound Pug, in that time I've done about 30k miles, all weathers, all conditions, all sorts of roads, all sorts of loads including towing some seriously heavy trailers.

I basically haven't spent anything on maintenance (I don't count consumables) so running costs are insurance, road tax, and fuel, and at an overall average of about 50 miles per gallon fuel costs are minimal, even with out UK£1.15 per litre now, I could always just fill her up with veg oil, apparently they run fine on it.

Depreciation, on a 199 quid car, you're kidding me....

Notably this car is ALL MECHANICAL under the bonnet, no electronics or engine management or computers of any kind, yet it sails through the MOT emissions test etc

Just an alternative viewpoint on being "green" and "economical"

Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Sun Dec 30 07:31:54 -0800 2007
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I'm glad Guy brought this up, as this is one of the things I've wondered about--all mechanical, diesel cars with better mileage and performance (though perhaps not Guy's particular car) than some of the hybrids.  (The upcoming generation of hybrid sports cars not withstanding.)  Even though I'm a fan of technology, I'm a bigger fan of simple solutions.

I don't know what the MOT standards are, but one thing that might be decisive for the more complicated hybrid cars is the actual amount of pollution generated; a hybrid running on batteries pollutes less than a diesel.

urban concentrated heat and pollution islands

Sun Dec 30 08:25:26 -0800 2007
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I think that is one of the goals for people who own Priuses or are going to electric. If you live and work almost all the time inside big cities you are aware of the pollution effect. It gets ultra concentrated way beyond any semblance of a health angle denial, even from Rush Limbaugh I bet.. It is just as important as the miles per gallon. You get stuck in traffic jams in LA, Boston, Atlanta, etc (I have all those places), I think you can see the potential of having all those thousands of cars sitting or creeping along with no ICE engines running at all, how much nicer it could be.(the us is a road and car nation, and that is reality, other places opt for something else, that is reality, public transo is not near as good a fit here for our infrastructure and lifestyles. It is someplaces and they have public transpo. So be it and stuff).

For a long range environmental goal it seems perfectly valid to move as much of the pollution someplace else outside the big cities where it can be dealt with better (and all electric vehicles can be charged from a solar carport or similar right now, several examples have been built).

Myself I am way more in favor of the plugin module hybrid vehicle idea, pure electric vehicle, and it becomes a hybrid with a small generator trailer for longer trips.

In the urban setting, with pure ICE, there's no way to get around a ton of times sitting there idling or just going one MPH, still polluting for no great reason.

In fact, there was some interesting anecdotal I read from hurricane katrina evacuation stories, a lot of hybrids made it out during the traffic jams when pure ICE models just ran out of fuel from idling and creeping along, even allegedly "good mileage" models.

With that said, I just got a small diesel truck because I wanted some future proofing on fuel sticker shock plus have needs for a little pickup way more than another sedan,and there just aren't any electric or hybrid trucks out there now that are as affordable (for me on my "dozenaire" budget) on the used market yet, and the electric motor retro fitting kits are still too dear (again for me, call it ten grand for kit plus batteries plus your conversion vehicle). So the pretty fair mileage diesel was the best compromise. I think in the US the old diesel VW rabbit in sedan or car-made-into-pickup models are still the mileage kings, a true 60 MPG with the diesel, but I picked the datsun because it is a real, albeit small, truck.

I did consider looking for an older non turbo diesel mercedes (one of those zillion mile models like a 240 D) and doing a set-to with the grinder and sawzall and welder to make a pickup though...but I didn't.

Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Sun Dec 30 08:51:56 -0800 2007
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UK (deisel) emission standards are...

CO 0.8 gm km (0.5)
NOx 0.65 gm km (0.25)
HC+NOx 0.72 gm km (0.3)
PM 0.07 gm km (0.025)
this is for my old car, new car figures in brackets

PM = particulate matter

sweet spot?

Sun Dec 30 16:17:03 -0800 2007
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Start w/ fawke's pugeot but first, add air bags and redo the frame for modern materials and techniques.   Probably tune the engine by multiple metrics a bit just by redoing that to.

Does it have cup holders?

Besides airbags, what digital control systems can you add that, if you later rip them out, the car is still awesome?


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My Saturn SL2

Sun Dec 30 22:23:53 -0800 2007
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I drive a 1997 Saturn SL2. It's got 170,000 miles on it. It gets 30.5 MPG at 90 MPG. It seats 5, and goes plenty fast.

There's a certain amount of "green" in simply not replacing your car: how much carbon does it take to manufacture a car? I remember once reading that if you ran your car for 10 years 24x7, you'd about equal the amount of energy it took to manufacture the car in the first place. I don't have a reference, and I'd absolutely love it if anybody here could provide more information.

Honest truth? I drive a considerable amount, mostly on business. It's common for me to hit 30,000 miles in a year. Many/most of those miles are compensated as "business travel" at $0.45 per mile, so anything that moves me cheaper than that is golden. And my Saturn "moves me" at something less than half that cost, with little effort or capital investment. (I could replace my '97 Saturn with a "new" used one with 1/3 the miles for about $2,000)

Combine that with the fact that parts are cheap, and it's easy to work on, and I have trouble with the whole "it's green" thing. I mean, every year I drive that !@# Saturn, I displace more CO2 than if I replaced it with a Prius? I won't impress anybody with my much-driven white Saturn, but it's a singularly effective tool for the job at hand, which is to get me there, fast, reliable, cheap.
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 08:59:20 -0800 2007
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Keep in mind that Guy's wild claim of 60/40MPG is using UK gallons.  In US-speak that's 50/42 MPG.
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 09:51:32 -0800 2007
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"wild claim"???

Dude, 60 mpg @ 60 mph is nothing to write home about.

This is a TWENTY YEAR OLD CAR that was NEVER marketed as "economy".

I get 60 MPG @ 60 MPH on a TWENTY YEAR OLD CAR with 200,000 miles on the clock nd no maintenance beyond a periodic oil and filter change.

I get this out of a US dollar 400 car, which is 20+ years old with 200+k on the clock without even trying.

The PRIUS is a BRAND NEW car, not old and worn, and it doesn't do 50 miles to the US Gallon or 60 miles to the UK gallon at 60 MPH.

I don't even know what a new PRIUS costs in cash or energy, sure as shit ain't 400 bucks on the road 100% legal and 100% reliable.

Keep my pug below 2500 RPM and it will return better than 70 MPG urban cycle, that 's 58 miles to on of your funny little american gallons...

Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 10:04:38 -0800 2007
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HAH!  You claim that PEUGOT is 100% reliable?  Now I know you're full of it, or just haven't hard the car long enough.  I'm certain that a Prius is more reliable than anything Peugot ever made.

The PRIUS is a BRAND NEW car, not old and worn, and it doesn't do 50 miles to the US Gallon or 60 miles to the UK gallon at 60 MPH.
Did you read the review?  Bruce said the prius gets 50 miles to the US gallon on the highway, which is probably means 70mph, not 60mph. 

The ultra-efficient diesels you guys get over there (which are far more fuel efficient than even your French shoebox) just aren't available in the States.  I think the best you can do is a VW TDi, which isn't even available for Bruce, because he lives in California.

And, as has been pointed out, there are several orders of magnitude difference in terms of the pollution coming out of the tailpipe of your surrender-mobile and the exhaust from Bruce's prius.
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 10:34:15 -0800 2007
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HAH! You claim that PEUGOT is 100% reliable? Now I know you're full of it, or just haven't hard the car long enough. I'm certain that a Prius is more reliable than anything Peugot ever made.

BGuddy, I've got a folder full of paperwork going back over ten years from the previous owner, every last service, MOT test, and part, documented, it ain't a claim, it's a fact.

Your problem is you've got a hard on for me and you resort to claiming what it write is crap or bullshit.

Did I read the review? yeah, Bruce gets AT BEST no better milege than me from a BRAND NEW CAR, what do you think it will cost to keep that Prius on the road for 20 years and what MPG you think it will give in 2027?

I am a time served marine engineer, and I am here to tell you an ENGINEERING FACT, our diesels aren't ultra efficient, measure BHP/hour per gram of diesel and our diesels are actually pretty mundane

Next you resort to flt out lies, Jay Leno manages to own and drive a vast variety of cars, including a Stanley Steamer, quite legally.

As for the bullshit about orders of magnitud difference between actual emissions between my cheese eating surrender money mobile and Bruces pearl harbo(u)r banzaimobile, bullshit, look up EUROCAP emissions regs, I quoted the ACTUL test standard my car has to pass every year, and in brackets the new, higher rating that all new crs, including the Prius, have to pass.

Quoting the Prius emissions in electric only mode is a straw man argument.

Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 11:31:36 -0800 2007
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And what sort of argument is it when you quote what standards the car has to pass instead of what the car actually emits?

Jay Leno can drive a steam-mobile, but he can not register a brand new diesel car in the state of California as none of them meet the emissions requirements.  Google if you don't believe me, I don't feel the need to prove it to you.

If your peugot is 100% reliable, it's the only one ever made that is.
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 12:13:00 -0800 2007
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And what sort of argument is it when you quote what standards the car has to pass instead of what the car actually emits?

it isn't an argument, it is a fact, therefore every car that passes the test exceeds the standard.

Now you claim that Jay Leno can't drive my Pug diesel in Kalifornia, because it isn't new, in a showroom, in calif, and that is the ONLY way to own a car in that state, new, from a local showroom. No texas cars, no BC cars, no mexican cars, no english cars... no second hand grey imports, I guess there are no hot rods with hot cams and zoomis either, no modified dodge ram / cumminses, no nothing.

Then you clim my Pug is the only reliable one ever made, 100,000+ taxi drivers would argue with you. You talk out of your backside sunshine.

Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 12:14:38 -0800 2007
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incidentally why don't you try comparing the eurocap emissions standards to kaliforni ones, don't like the answers?
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 13:17:21 -0800 2007
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No, you yet again misread.  I never said he couldn't drive your pug.  He could.  Well, actually, he probably couldn't, because he'd have to make it meet US safety standards of the time to import it.  But, assuming that it was a car sold in the states, he COULD have bought it used in California no problem, if it met CA emission standards.

What I said, if you'd read my statement a little more carefully, was that he couldn't have bought a new diesel, like a VW TDi.  California will not register NEW DIESELS.  They will let you import used vehicles from another state, but probably not from the UK (entirely different issue).
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Tue Jan 01 01:10:38 -0800 2008
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1996 Dodge Stratus here (manufactured August 1995), 2.0 L with the 5 speed manual transaxle. 60-63 MPH (RPM kept below 2,500, which is exceeded at 65 MPH) in 5th gear results in 53 MPG. This has been repeated over many 2,200 mile each way cross country trips. 65-70 MPH is around 40 MPG, 70-75 MPH drops to 35 around MPG.

With that said, the Prius may have less MPG, but it also has less emissions. It also costs much more than did a 1996 Stratus, mine haggled down to $11,000 in 1997 when I purchased it used.

So it is not a cost thing, either MPG or purchase price, but how much pollution is created, that drives purchasing a hybrid, such as a Prius. While both of our vehicles cost less and provide better MPG, they do create more pollution than a hybrid.
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Tue Jan 01 02:03:18 -0800 2008
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So it is not a cost thing, either MPG or purchase price, but how much pollution is created, that drives purchasing a hybrid, such as a Prius. While both of our vehicles cost less and provide better MPG, they do create more pollution than a hybrid.

Only if you artificially tilt the playing field by excluding the energy and environmental impact of manufacture and distribution of said vehicle to the point of sale.... include that and the hybrids are MAJOR losers.

nice one

Sun Dec 30 07:52:14 -0800 2007
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If you were Toyota, what would you change on the car? Do you think it is ready for the plug in battery mods, or would that disrupt the cargo space too much? And it sounds like the electric motor needs a boost in power.

At my nearest closest "town" for what that is worth, the cab company there went to Priuses last year. The pizza guys haven't though, but I did finally see one rural snailmail carrier with one, not our route though. And yes, I can't see anyone going off on dirt roads much with one, tear it up.

Interesting on the Ham gear, we sometimes cruise with just a portable sangean shortwave receiver, and yes, the engine RF interference can be nasty, but I find the angle of the antenna to be more critical to get good signal. As long as it is all inside and we can reach the antenna, that isn't *that* much of a problem but it is still awkward. Some folks whose radio show I listen to (very occasionally but some) are pushing some model sony indash multiband (just looked, CDX-GT160S model, I'll do a link if anyone is really interested, or it is the top result with google on that model number) which supposedly has good RF noise protection, $250 bucks.

Back up cameras. Man I want one for a few of the dump trucks around here. Joe Boss has one on his massive land battle cruiser "OMG it cost how much?!?" brand RV. A pure temp magnetic mount radio model would be perfect I guess, need to look around see if this exists. Probably does...

A lesson in leet driving guesstimate skills on attaching heavy trailers by yourself with the dumptrucks, because you can't see a darn thing and you just aren't man handling around any of the heavy stuff, even for that last inch.. I usually cheat by going out and laying long sticks down on each side to mark the hitch end and try to nail that by centering and stopping at the right spot, but it still isn't a replacement for the human spotter waving his arms around and doing the "no, the other right you doofus!" approach ;)

nice one
Sun Dec 30 11:46:18 -0800 2007
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The next Prius generation doubles the battery size and claims 8 mile range EV mode, I don't remember if they have a plug-in option. My car always charges up before it's reached the bottom of the hill, unfortunately there is a climb before going down that is probably too much for the electric only mode. So I don't think plug-in would do much for me with the present battery or maybe even the next-generation one. If they can get lithium car batteries to a decent price and longevity they may be able to change the economics.
nice one
Mon Dec 31 07:39:23 -0800 2007
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Bruce, is the 42 MPG actual, calculated miles driven on the odometer divided by actual gallons pumped into the tank, or just what the cars computer tells you it is giving?

I rented a Prius last March for about a week and kept close track of the mileage during that time. I found about a 10% difference (lower), at the end of the week in my calculations vs. what the car said I had gotten. Admittedly, I didn't drive far enough in that week (just over a single tank of gas) to get a good long term baseline, and all of the driving was in D.C. stop-and-go nightmare traffic, but still...

Normally I drive a 2004 full-size Chevy pick-up. Interestingly, the driver information system on it, also consistently reports 10% better gas mileage than what odometer/gas pump gives me, and I've tracked it constantly for 3 years now. Of course, in the truck 10% means about 1.6 MPG over reported by the computer. On the Prius I found it over reporting by 5.3 MPG, and that is significant.

Antenna controller

Sun Dec 30 08:04:54 -0800 2007
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RFI while mobile is a problem in many vehicles - my '04 Grand Marquis has an S9+10 noise floor on HF when the engine is running (although the IC7000 DSP can bring that down to S5), and I've tried all the obvious things (bonded hood to body, radio tied directly to battery, ferrite cores on all the coil-on-plug lines). I conjecture the ground return for the high voltage side of the coil-on-plug system is through the low voltage winding rather than being a more direct path, but I am at a loss to come up with a way to test that hypothesis.

However, thanks for the link on the BetterRF controller - I picked up a Mini Tarheel controller at Dayton, and it requires an RF connection, as well as also connecting to the radio's tuner port AND a connection to the CI-V connection on the radio.

Does the BetterRF unit do a "rough tune" based upon tuned frequency for RX, or does it ONLY tune on TX? There are times I'd like to be able to do a rough tune for places I cannot TX (e.g. WWV on 5/10/15 MHz, travelers' info on 1610kHz), and with my current controller there is no way do to that. I've been thinking of putting in a manual bypass switch so that I could do a noise tune.

Antenna controller
Sun Dec 30 11:24:53 -0800 2007
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I think the BetterRF only tunes on TX and will retract without transmitting but that's it. I think it has band memory slots to memorize tunings so that it knows the right direction, and has individually settable SWR goals per band. Their manuals are online and say more about this.

If you want to have manual tune along with the BetterRF, there are two ways to do it. One is a testing mode, see the instructions. It's a bit awkward becuase you must use the set menu to access it, and the radio will go into RTTY mode when you do so. Or you can build a simple circuit to override the tuner. I think you might be able to do it with an SPDT relay, a rectifier, and the manual direction switch that came with the antenna. Just have the relay activate when it gets power from the direction switch, and switch both motor leads from the controller to the output of the switch.

technocratic self-importance

Sun Dec 30 22:37:47 -0800 2007
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As usual, all the great moral truths can be found in great literature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_Brother,_Where_Art_Thou%3F
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 07:26:05 -0800 2007
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Size:

I'm 6'4" and my son is 6'6", almost 6'7".  We've been looking over the past year or two, and the Prius just doesn't have enough room for us.  At the moment, pretty much only the Honda Accord (among higher-mileage cars) seems to have that magic extra headroom needed.

Whatever floats your boat.

Mon Dec 31 11:01:44 -0800 2007
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I drive a car that gets 16 MPG in the city and 20 MPG on the highway, and put out fewer overall emissions than most Prius drivers. How? I walk to work. When I do drive my car, it's a hell of a lot more fun. I'm impressed by the performance of some of the all-electrics coming out, but they're probably about 5-10 years away from being where they need to be for me buying one.
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 12:21:43 -0800 2007
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I wonder why Bruce got rid of the toyota...? Is the Prius not worth the price?

Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Mon Dec 31 12:56:44 -0800 2007
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I've driven many Priuses in the SF Bay Area with no problems at all.  Then, I drove my sister's Prius in the snow and ice of Washington state.  The anti-skid doesn't work all that well on an ice covered road.
Review: 2007 Toyota Prius
Sat May 03 12:06:36 -0700 2008
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Good review.  I'm especially interested because I just purchased a 2008 package 5, have been unable to get any info from Coastal on their receiver and am a ham with a 7000, which I assumed could not be used in the Prius due to power and RFI considerations.  I hope you'll update with your inistall experience and getting the rig to work properly.  Also, I have been unable to get much response from Coastal; how much of a drill was installation of their video lockpick?

Review: 2007 Toyota Prius: keyless entry issue

Sun May 18 11:28:32 -0700 2008
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Nice review.  Regarding the key, on my US model (2005) at least, I have found that if you disable the keyless start using the button beneath the steering wheel, then you *can* lock the car with the key inside, and then opening the door with the metal key does *not* set off the alarm.