How we got into this mess

Thu Dec 04 14:13:00 -0800 2008
Last editor Alan manage

A brief history of the 20th century in the US as it pertains to the current financial crisis.

There is in some obscure corners of the blogosphere, in my opinion, a quietly present "society of letters" -- unconcerned with "monetization" or "reputation" or "Web 2.0" or any of that per se but simply interested in a participatory, open, literary environment. A new form of mindful, social exchange.

As a modest example I'll point to one obscure blog I quite like. I recommend setting aside some hours and reading it from start to current. It's quite interesting. See: Mauberly: An Unwise Owl Gives a Hoot".

I quite like the writings on Mauberly and one recently drew a response from me. The author has been expressing grave concerns about the current financial crisis and, to just give a "lead-in" taste to my original work, here is some of his stuff to which I recently replied. From his post of Wednesday, December 03, 2008 Mauberly writes (brutally excerpted here):

Is there room for a debate on this? Do I have to be an economist to have a position here? When I see the business news today, whether it is in the Houston Chronicle or the Wall Street Journal, it is bad.

I lived through 1987, and it was not all that bad. 1988 ushered in no recession. Not many businesses shut down around me. I had one client who lost a bundle in the market on paper. But he got it all back.

Do I need to resort to a theory to make it good or bad?

[....]

I have nothing to say about how the market will trade going forward. What has that got to do with this, anyway?

"Well the market is not pricing this as bad. It went up today."
"It did, indeed."
"Well then, it must be ok."
"Your account did not shrink today. Is that what you're telling me?"

I have nothing to say about fitting this into a Keynesian or other explanation. What has that got to do with this, anyway?

"Well, Maynard Keynes said...."
"He did, indeed."
"And he explains how we got here."
"He does? He explains systemic fraud?"
"What?"
"That is what I read in the papers."

I replied; and this being a brief history of the 20th century and how it pertains to how we got in the mess we've so often been discussing here... I thought I'd share it here:


"Systemic fraud" is a theory, it's just not a complete one and not exactly an economic one.

I am seeing systemic fraud combined with criminal negligence and a cultural loss. The cultural loss, from bottom to top of the economy is a loss of a sense of entitlement to empire where formerly that sense was concomitant with an Enlightenment moral obligation to strive for competence and industrial achievement. We used to be, as a culture, creatures of the Enlightenment. We believed either in the perfectibility of reason and of the individual or at least believed in pretending we believed in that perfectibility.

The Founders were fine examples, dabbling in science, craft, industry, letters, politics, farming, trade, martial affairs, theology, classical studies, etc. They stood only partly as outliers -- as exceptionally competent people. They stood as well as examples: of what was, in principle, possible to anyone who is not natively dim.

And that experience of the Enlightenment man inevitably gave rise to a sense of entitlement to empire. If a population is systematically deprived, by social arrangement, of the individual right to self perfection then the Enlightened man is perfectly entitled to seize that social arrangement and, forcibly if necessary, reshape it. The Enlightenment man's competence is the wellspring of his hubris.

Thus the westward expansion and the war on indigenous nations. Thus the industrial and railroad ages. Thus the massive hydrologic engineering of the western territories. When Mr. Carnegie or Mr. Ford undertook their projects they combined the fruits of science and technology with a mission to raise the common man -- and of course the hubris to hire Pinkerton or send company snoops around to investigate the lifestyles of line workers. The very invention of the middle class was seen as a balance between industrial requirements on the one hand, and a vague idealized vision of what it would look like if all of the workers could grow into being Enlightenment men.

Tragedies of history occurred, of course, but there was an economic side effect of these developments: a multiplying of various forms of competence within the population, a multiplying of material ambitions, and a vast extension of the built environment to include lots of tools, factories, rolling stock, communications grids, power grids, water and sanitation grids, education grids, library grids, and on an on.

Whatever the pluses and minuses of Enlightenment man's first go at empire, the indisputable fact on the ground was that it positioned us with all of that latent productive capacity (resources, tools, competence) just as the conflicts of the early 20th century broke out.

We also went through that period with the Depression, of course, and this points towards an interesting difficulty in the evolution of the concept of Theory in the Enlightenment culture: It was inconceivable, in the 18th, 19th, and much of the 20th century that there would be natural phenomenon that could not be usefully theorized. Enlightenment man was engaged in the project of trying to perfect a prosperous society of competent individuals and to escape a society based on the subjugation of the individual to a regressive, anti-intellectual authority. Enlightenment man wanted to and presume he would eventually "know everything" and then just "act intelligently". Everything that mattered was presumed to be ultimately knowable, probably controllable, and at the very least predictable. Fascinated with the conceptual simplicity yet utility of taxonomies, Enlightenment man built out knowledge in great categories: natural science, engineering, ..., economics.

Crashes in the 19th and early 20th century showed up an intellectual crisis for no good theory was emerging to prevent such events or even usefully predict them. This was a source of great collective frustration that laid bare a possible failure of the Enlightenment project as then conceived and, in any event, meant we did not handle those crises particularly well when they happened. We'll return to this...

WWII concluded and what the economic theories tell us about the status of our nation at that time hardly matters at all. What actually mattered most was the built environment and the deployment of competence among the population. WWII beefed up the "average level of know-how" by quite a lot. WWII left us with quite an impressive industrial machine.

Along side the evolution of the built environment along Enlightenment ideals came a countervailing motion: the martialization of the young sons of the elite. Everyone (who was anyone) had officers in their families and the most prominent socialites had quite high ranking officers and quite high ranking captains of industries that had become accustomed to being subordinate to the martial order. The educations of that generation of elites had been interrupted from the war and would not resume. Alcoholism was in a boom phase. Fads like a fascination with Freud gave that generation plenty of excuse to turn their backs on their elders and allow their interrupted pedagogy to become a pedagogy of bratiness.

And that's, if you ask me, where it began to end:

"Rank" in high society had at one time been, at least nominally, earned by objective achievement. One built a railway, or a system of factories and supply chains, or an electric grid and it was on the basis of those tangible contributions to productivity that the incidental monetary rewards were understood to be at least an approximation of "just". But, after WWII, after the martialization of this class....

"Rank" meant "office". The Enlightenment project of objective, real production began to wane and instead the society erected a competition of "relative competence" to be judged by who holds what offices and who consumes what, who gives or takes orders from whom, etc. This is psychologically understandable: that generation suffered from an interrupted pedagogy and was dragged into WWII and made officers. They emerged well-placed but tired, emancipated prematurely from their parents, used to military-style rank privileges, and feeling triumphant. For a time, the productive capacity their parents had laid a foundation for flourished as it directed attention to peace-time possibilities. The invention of the "middle class" was elaborated on extensively and the vision drifted to suburbia, two-car garages, fine and shiny school districts, and consumerism to find purchasers for all of the clockwork mechanisms, heating elements, electric motors, microwaves, televisions, airplanes, etc. that the war effort had left us well able to build cheaply.

This was the first sign that Enlightenment man had exited the stage. Consider "the TV dinner" as a cliche but important example: it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in an Enlightenment world view. The convenience touted for it is false: simple competence can produce better with scarcely more effort -- the TV dinner is a crutch to cover for permanent incompetence. Moreover, even at its inception, the TV dinner is a shocking waste of perfectly good factories and perfectly good commodities. But notice that the TV dinner fits the martial model very well: it is a kinder and gentler M.R.E. for the (civilian) "enlisted" in the emerging corporatism. What happens when you take a large extended-army (counting both official troops and their subordinate and compliant industrial supply chain) and cut them loose, with drunkard snobbish kids at the helm, armaments intact? They organize as mercenaries, of course. And what is something like a TV dinner if not a guerilla action by a subset of corps to try to take and defend "territory" within the geometry of the puzzling, suddenly purposeless phenomenon of middle-class consumerism?

Things continue like that for a while and the baby-boom occurs. That will be the first generation subjected to the experiment of a pedagogy dominated by the shiny new school system built out by the returning WWII elites. Freud for the elites begets Dr. Spock for the masses. The militarists spin a narrative of the communist threat to prop up command and control thinking. Corporatism of this particularly martial variety flourishes, the concept of "corporate loyalty" takes a brief stint on stage, the toy industry explodes.....

The vision of "competence" shifts from "Be someone like Jefferson: a man of many trades, good at many, productively engaged in his society in ways that many appreciate," to "Be," and again, a cliche but a true one, "like the Cleavers. Preach the faith to your kids. Buy them lots of stuff. Honor your boss and take pride in your subordination to the corporate project. Enjoy your fine suburb. Your children and their children will continue the same and flourish. Here, have a TV dinner."

Among elites, skepticism becomes something discredited -- an indulgence of the idle. This particularly happens around questions that Enlightenment man left unresolved as he exited the stage: particularly the economy. Elites "take sides" between monetarism and Keynesian policy setting and fight the battles not much through solid reason but more through jockeying for rank -- as if what is taught about the economy will therefore be what is true.

Meanwhile, quietly, Benoit Mandelbrot and others notice that, in fact, there is a broad range of natural phenomena which can not be controlled particularly well, or even predicted particularly well, and financial markets show all signs of being such a phenomena. In effect, it is if the captains of finance are locked in a tooth and nail fight over whether lay goat entrails upon the alter or draw pentagrams on the floor and light candles while, strictly speaking, the literature exposes the essential off-the-point mysticism of both approaches.

As the top of the command chain falters intellectually, and the middle-class becomes a restless army questioning its commanders, the elites begin a project not only of abandoning the Enlightenment but of actually dismantling its good works. Well-designed urbanism is replaced by urban planning. The domestic steel industry is beaten to the ground. In industry upon industry training stops and valuable equipment is sold off and loaded on boats to be taken abroad. The art of farming is replaced by the habit of dumping barrels of oil on to otherwise sterile land and squeezing as much corn syrup into TV dinners as possible. One week the effects vindicate Keynes, the next week the monetarists -- in any event, given the death of skepticism, at any given time some subset of the clueless elite appear to be "vindicated" by the "latest numbers" even while, overall, they're collectively dumbing down the middle class, destroying all recollection of the ideal of the competent individual, and always ratcheting up the degree of militarism. The concept of "corporate loyalty" gives rise to a "higher loyalty" in which workers are expected to accept layoffs with a smile and just, quick as a snap, "go retrain yourself".

The net effect is a nation that has many of the foibles of the corrupt, lies-to-itself Soviet system but with a pseudo-individualistic (ghost of the Enlightenment) hegemony for the workers.

By the 1980s, the computer science departments are producing a heck of a lot of smart-asses who have their own militaristic sense of entitlement (to high salaries, to being unquestioned as to the meaning of their work, etc.). We get, from this, huge growth in the IT industry.

A subset (I speak from first-hand knowledge) of the grad students of that era are, well, truly brats of unprecedented degree. If their peers are going off to low six-figure jobs fresh out of school, well then, these guys want to be able to retire at 30 and they bring to bear just a marginal degree of computer science chops but a very high degree of chops at playing systems of rank. These are the guys who will drop in to the weekly departmental "mixer" where the students and faculty are dressed casual, drinking, sneaking out for smokes, and angling to get laid -- but these guys show up for 5 minutes in a suit and tie, brag they're off to a meeting, and leave. And, where do they wind up? Why, at the high paying jobs that none of their better peers can stomach considering: at the financial firms. The famous "State Street" case before the Supreme Court (look it up) tells you much of what you need to know: that case created an industry that was happy to suck up the asshats from the CS departments (and the rest of that society was happy to see them go and unconcerned with what they might do). And they went off and invented CDOs and CDSs and they went off said "we're so smart, we don't need no Glass-Steagal" etc.

And here we are.

The US is losing empire because, after WWII, we remembered that we were supposed to enjoy a kind of empire of a sort but we forgot why. We forgot what initially separated us from all the other empire contenders. We went from *reluctant* empire builders, obligated to expand because we were Enlightenment men, to *eager* empire builders because that's all that we really remembered as one of the goals. The middle class adopted what I guess could be justly described as a slave mentality, in line with that -- competing only for relative material advantage with one another rather than for some broader competence. Our "empire" is collapsing because for more than half a century we've been busy forgetting why were building it.

The built environment and the distribution of competence is where we are. We've a dearth of factories, the various grids have failed, we've a self-enslaved middle class, skepticism is discredited, corporate loyalty has been replaced by a kind of class subordination (middle class workers must be loyal to *all* corporations, as when (many, many) HR reps will tell you they will never recommend to hire any worker who ever says anything bad about a former employer)..... we've trashed the productive capacity that Enlightenment man built up.

There's hope, but not for smooth sailing. Some kids around my region, for example, are making a hobby out of learning (rather late) stuff like metal-smithing and machining and crochet and so forth. There are a lot of neo-bohemians who half-remember and are moving back towards Enlightenment man. There's a ghost of a chance for some good to come of all this.

But.. .returning to your words: "systemic corruption" -- well, it was a long time coming. See?

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Thu Dec 04 20:34:18 -0800 2008
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How did we end up this way? I've thought about that many, many times, and I still do. You make some good points.

If I interpret correctly, you mention that post-WW2 is where things really started to nosedive. I see your point, and agree that we started going down much faster at that point.

But the more I think about this, the further and further back I trace it. And, what's kinda scared me lately, is that although I've been trying to look back in the past to find when that "Enlightened Man" was in his true, pure form, I just can't find it. I don't mean perfect, but it would be nice if there were, despite their imperfections, a few more Jeffersons. A few more Lockes. A few more Madisons. But I just don't see them.

I've played with the idea of placing the nosedive about a century (or less) earlier, when, although most people hadn't learned sufficiently from Smith, still other people started getting crazy economic ideas from you-know-who. Not Marx's fault, of course, unless you want to blame Jesus for the Inquisition. And what's more, these ideas, from many different sides (I don't like using the C-word and the S-word), began to be translated into policies. As if the idea was capable of providing justifications in the first place. We forgot (perhaps never really understood) that whole social contract/liberty thing. We lost faith (or perhaps never had it) that good economic times would result from liberty, not the other way around. Just because Newton can teach you to describe the parabollic path of bullet does not authorize you to shoot someone. So why is it that theories with much less scientific rigor than physics became justification for the policies started in the early 20th century? And why did the people accept this? Which brings me to my next point.

I removed about 8 paragraphs here, because they were just rambling and not very coherent, but I'll summarize my theory as this: When humanity went from hunter-gatherer based societies to agricultural ones, people went insane because their minds just couldn't cope with the change. I think what we're seeing now is related to the shift from agricultural socieites to industrial societies. If you're a glass half full kind of guy, these would be the aftershocks. If you're a glass 50% full guy like me, this is the precursor to much more insanity.

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Fri Dec 05 09:12:51 -0800 2008
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Don't forget about Keynes. 

One problem the U.S. has had is an over-fixation on a misunderstanding of a Keynesian beief that "deficits don't matter".  What most forget is that for Keynes, deficit spending was only acceptable in times of severe economic crisis, and was only to be tolerated as long as it took to restore normalcy.  Once normalcy was restored, deficit spending is supposed to return to the lock box of last resorts.

Since the Reagan years, our government (both sides) has seemingly adopted the strategy of permanant deficit spending as official financial policy.  To some extent, that belief has now begun to "trickle down" to the general population, who have seemingly lost the ability to manage a basic budget.  It's called leadership for a reason - a government can't very well expect the general populace to practice fiscal responsibility when the government itself is demonstrating its ignorance and avoidance of the same at every possible turn.

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Thu Dec 04 23:54:24 -0800 2008
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A long-winded, wordy way of saying: we stopped caring about accomplishment.

It's pretty simple, really. When nobody has anything, people who produce wealth get ahead. But as soon as everybody has reached a basic standard of wealth possession, then what matters is one's access to existing wealth rather than production of new wealth.

Thus, the incentive to create wealth disappears, wealth stops being produced, and the cycle repeats. Thousands of years of history betray this very cycle. This is why a recession/depression isn't a bad thing, it's a necessary thing. Dirt comes from rotting vegetation. Just as plants need to die so that others may be born, economies need to wither into recessions so that the economic cycle can be renewed.

The longer we put off recession, the worse it will be. By putting it off, we may in fact be working to collapse our civilization altogether.

Why take 2,000 words to communicate this very simple idea?

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Fri Dec 05 08:04:56 -0800 2008
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Why take 2,000 words to communicate this very simple idea?

Because history isn't exactly the same. It's interesting to consider the specific mechanisms that unimaginatively contribute to the same repeating phenomena. It may take a few extra words to wrap it in an individual perspective. I thought it was worth the effort.

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Fri Dec 05 12:36:01 -0800 2008
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A long-winded, wordy way of saying: we stopped caring about accomplishment.

Not exactly. I'm pointing out how our notion of what counts as "accomplishment" has changed.

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Fri Dec 05 05:20:21 -0800 2008
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People are greedy. They always have been and always will be. This is not the 1st speculatation fed economic collapse, nor the last.

The job of the government, IMHO, should be to regulate greed. Most of our current mess may be as simple as the repeal of the last provisions of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. This act was was passed out of the experience of the Depression. I remember telling several people when it was repealed what a terrible idea that was (even though I was a Clinton supporter). Investment banks went public so they were now able to gamble with huge quantities of others' money. (Does anyone think the Partners would be slicing up & buying/selling subprime loans with their own money?) The government declined to regulate the derivatives/hedge funds &, in the investment banks, these incredibly risky devices were now mixed with 401ks, money market funds, and deposits. So when the gambles went bad, those firms were "too big to fail" without uncontainable collateral damamge. Both Robert Reich (Clinton administration) and Henry Paulson have said recently that if a company is too big to fail, then maybe it's too big period.

The government needs to regulate what these banks can do, again.

As far as a more general "how we got into this mess", I think one of the most serious underlying issues in America right now is the refusal of the courts to limit campaign funding on the basis that it's free speech. Congressmen spend more time fund raising then governing. The very 1st thing newly elected officials do is start fundraising to try to retire their campaign debt. It's puts tremendous pressure on them to raise money. Guess which industry has been giving the most money to Congress since 1990? No suprise then that they get the most favorable treatment in legislation. There are frequent posts here complaining about the growing gap between the rich & poor in the US. Well, duh. The rich have the money to give to the politicians, who require more & more campaign cash, who must therefore pass laws to benefit their donors. I believe unlimited campaign funding is more akin to yelling "fire" in a theater & can, & should, be restricted.

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Sat Dec 06 05:46:22 -0800 2008
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"Both Robert Reich (Clinton administration) and Henry Paulson have said recently that if a company is too big to fail, then maybe it's too big period."

Indeed, I have not seen either of them say this or anyone else so far for that matter, but I think so too:

Thoughts on Corporate Reform

See point 3.

A breakup should be a mandatory condition for any bailout perhaps?

all the best,

drew

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Sat Dec 06 05:49:56 -0800 2008
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"The rich have the money to give to the politicians, who require more & more campaign cash, who must therefore pass laws to benefit their donors. I believe unlimited campaign funding is more akin to yelling "fire" in a theater & can, & should, be restricted."

I see the point, but I am not so sure about this. After all, each person brings all that they are to the table. Some have one set of advantages, some others.

If we hamstring those with money, will we advantage those with charm or good looks?

Perhaps though no corporations (or other groups) should be allowed to contribute, only individuals???

all the best,

drew

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Sat Dec 06 08:01:45 -0800 2008
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sure. Or even a total cap with no restrictions on where it comes from, it just has to be disclosed. A Senator could raise all of his/her $1M limit from ExxonMobil or raise it in $nnn increments from individuals. It wouldn't matter as long as it's declared prior to the election. As an aside, it would also give them practice spending on a budget instead of constantly borrowing (now there's an idea :). I think the need for constant fundraising has to be curtailed somehow.

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Sat Dec 06 09:44:01 -0800 2008
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I think I rather see the only individuals restriction rather than a total cap for reasons similar to what I say above.

However, if you are going to go for a total cap, set the cap at zero and be done with it. No time needs to be given to fundraising and no wasted money.

(OK, time to shoot the zero cap idea down without shooting down other things we would rather not.)

all the best,

drew

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Fri Dec 05 07:43:43 -0800 2008
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But there is a silver lining. "Vote with your wallet" has been largly impossible for years. Now however, with less money to go around, each dollar "vote" counts for more. AT&T, GM and many others are finding out what happens when the vote goes against them.

Of course the industries will probably get a bailout, but it won't help. A bailout simply infuses cash from the tax base into a company. But if the company does not change, people who now have less cash will vote against it again. The infusion will postpone death, but will not prevent it

Congress has been bought. The government is not thoroughly corrupt, but the leaders are. Ballot box voting for any congressman is pointless because the candidates are all owned by the same corporations. But voting with a wallet will drive these corporations under. Eventually you will be left with a smaller subset of more powerful corporations. These should be corporations who will control congress in a way that we prefer.

At least, that's the concept. Go for the true rulers.

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Fri Dec 05 12:54:54 -0800 2008
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Or, stop the campaign contributions from corporations, and remove their influence entirely and immediately.

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Wed Dec 10 08:13:19 -0800 2008
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This idea was recently discussed in blisty.cz (in czech language) by some students vs. polititian and I concluded that sky raining frogs every winter is more probable than lobby being effectively forbidden (not only de jure).

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Wed Dec 10 08:19:32 -0800 2008
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I am afraid that you are pretty close to right.

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Fri Dec 05 11:43:40 -0800 2008
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Just about every argument your loooong article puts forward is based on a fallacy. If one were to take your statements at face value, one would assume that pre-WW2 the average American was better educated, produced more, had more leisure time, and enjoyed a higher standard of living than they do now. No, no, no, & no. One would also assume that, pre-WW2, the US was a larger empire than it is now. It wasn't until WW2 that the US was the pre-eminent empire, which it enjoys until this day. Even now, there is a much greater distance to second place (China?) than the US ever enjoyed at any time pre-1989.

And TV dinners? I'm personally not a great fan, but they're easy. Are we also less enlightened because now we're dumping our laundry in a machine rather than having the wives spend a whole day doing it by hand? Cooking a meal is somehow enlightened? If you don't enjoy it, it's grunt work. How many meals did you think Jefferson cooked? "Hey uneducated slave, you get out of the kitchen as I don't think you're enlightened enough for this".

Give me a break.

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Fri Dec 05 12:53:02 -0800 2008
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If one were to take your statements at face value, one would assume that pre-WW2 the average American was better educated, produced more, had more leisure time, and enjoyed a higher standard of living than they do now.

I said no such thing.

Are we also less enlightened because now we're dumping our laundry in a machine rather than having the wives spend a whole day doing it by hand?

Obviously it depends on the particular machine and the range of choices available.

Cooking a meal is somehow enlightened?

Yes. Indeed, during "dark ages" people forget a great deal about culinary science.

How many meals did you think Jefferson cooked? "Hey uneducated slave, you get out of the kitchen as I don't think you're enlightened enough for this".

Wow, you're a sucker, ain't ya.

From about.com we receive this account (there's a picture of the macaroni machine he invented on that site):

Macaroni Machine ca. 1787
Thomas Jefferson acquired a taste for continental cooking while serving as American minister to France in the 1780s. When he returned to the United States in 1790 he brought with him a French cook and many recipes for French, Italian, and other au courant cookery. Jefferson not only served his guests the best European wines, but he liked to dazzle them with delights such as ice cream, peach flambe, macaroni, and macaroons. This drawing of a macaroni machine, with the sectional view showing holes from which dough could be extruded, reflects Jefferson's curious mind and his interest and aptitude in mechanical matters.

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Fri Dec 05 14:08:11 -0800 2008
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> I said no such thing.

Your whole article is implying that the US was in a better position pre-WW2. That people weren't slave to work back then. That people were more enlightened back then. That people produced more back then. That the country was in a better position internationally back then. I call bullshit on all of it.

> Yes. Indeed, during "dark ages" people forget a great deal about culinary science.

Is that because they're not "enlightened", or is it because they're too poor to afford anything other than potatoes?

> Wow, you're a sucker, ain't ya.

Indeed, it appears I chose insult the wrong guy's culinary skills :-). Touc. However, your argument that "look, the president was proficient in all these different skills" does not mean that the proletariat was, which you seem to be suggesting.

 

I don't really understand what you mean by "enlightened". Care to define it?

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Fri Dec 05 15:29:15 -0800 2008
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Ok, I understand the confusion better. I'll give you a straighter answer and thanks for rising to the provocation -- I thought there was something worth getting at in your put down and I'm glad I found it:

Your whole article is implying that the US was in a better position pre-WW2. That people weren't slave to work back then. That people were more enlightened back then. That people produced more back then. That the country was in a better position internationally back then. I call bullshit on all of it.

Nope, that's not what I'm saying.

You have to understand that I am a snob, and regard that as a rational choice. I'm descended from Robert Livingston, who signed the Declaration and the Constitution. I'm descended from the Hartshorns. I'm a distant relative of the Bush family and went (as a charity case) to the same private high school as both presidents 41 and 43. At a tender age I picked up and fondled an heirloom, father-to-son revolutionary musket (with bayonet) and pistol (though neither fell to my branch since then). As I child I played in the sand on a private beach under the shadow of then-CIA-director Bush's family compound in Kennebunkport. When in other threads I drop dark hints about the near indistinguishability of the CIA from the US elite class and dark hints about their domestic abuses of human rights I'm not echoing "stuff I read on the 'net" but conveying first-hand knowledge. I am engaged in ongoing, quite awkward occasional personal correspondence with a modest but significant number of well placed influencers and capitalists who dabble in my industry. I myself am the product of a pedagogy that, imperfectly, at least managed to touch on everything from foraging to hunting to making fire to boating and sailing to cooking to maths to chemistry to physics to mechanical engineering to home economics to diplomacy to letters to philosophy to theology to ... I've tried to make a complete list more than once and I can't. The center of such a pedagogy is placing the highest value on broad spectrum competence. Applying such competence, receivers of such pedagogy exercise influence over society to encourage the formation and reproduction of a society that rewards such a pedagogy.

There lives, in that history, "Enlightenment man": the well-rounded, broadly competent hub of societies. The one's who make things happen. The diplomats and a subset of the gentry. That is a hint at their heritage.

Except that it all went to s- after WWII. We got generations of what must be regarded in retrospect as brats. Worse: effete, incompetent brats.

The "center" has not held and in my article I'm tracing out some of the details of what that looked like.

Our "captains" of industry, finance, government, etc. are of these lost generations. They look bumbling precisely because of that break in pedagogy: they lack broad competence.

This isn't about the "average American" directly at all. It's about the culture of the "deciders" with power over the "average American".

Now, how does this relate to the average American? Well, the "deciders" most directly control the built and trade environment. The shapes of cities and countryside, the shapes of financial instruments, etc. -- these things are up to the "capital class" and heavily influenced by some other affluent classes. The "avg. USian" lives in that context -- their worldview, their options, their education, their news.... all comes from that environment that the elite class constructs. That elite class can thus choose between encouraging a more enterprising, more well-rounded, more Jeffersonian, more intellectually honest approach to life -- or they can encourage something else. Whichever they encourage there is feedback: the resulting behavior of the proletariat in turn shapes the degrees of freedom possessed by the elite.

To conduct its functions the elite is constantly tinkering with political arrangements ranging from social circuits to societies of letters to corporatism to political factions, etc. When they do so they bring to bare the fruits of their pedagogy. Jefferson, as an example, exercised his broad competence to give attention to and order to just about every aspect of Monticello from bottom to top -- he built a small society of 10s or hundreds of people, well integrated into a surrounding economy, all making solid economic sense (in spite of his dying in debt) -- and he did all of that by design and by a design that arose out of simple habits of competence. Today, in contrast, the ambitions of the elite are far less well rounded. They are, as a rule (with exceptions), effete, broadly incompetent, and obsessed with theories of value that are easily discredited. They don't act like people inclined towards survival other than in forms that ride the coat tails of their built-by-an-earlier-generation ranks.

I'll make that a little more concrete:

Early in the dot-com bubble I had hours of chats with a start-up CEO who was to go on to great fame. It was a weird situation but I had a chance to have these chats.

One of the impressions I came away with, mostly on the basis of this fellow's explicit statements, was that at the end of the day he didn't give a cr-p how his firm produced it's "value add". This was an engineering firm and it got contracts and executed them but did this guy care about the process of production? Not unless the question at hand was "fun".

Rather, he was all about the balance sheet and the party. Make sure the heavy-lifters on current contracts are happy and make sure the investors on the board like the numbers. End of story. Leads to really excellent management contributions to the engineering process like reserving a volleyball court on Stanford campus or authorizing the extra $50 for the better brand of pizza.

Ok, perhaps he designated to the CTO? No, same song, different lyrics.

Compare and contrast to Andrew Carnegie deciding to endow a tech school but insisting that one of the first buildings built had to be long, narrow, and built so that the hallways slope downwards because then, worst case, the building could at least be re-purposed as a gravity-driven assembly line for some industrial project. Do you see the difference? Jefferson, Carnegie .. for them finance is a tool for a larger project that deals in tangibles and to which they bring (from quite diverse backgrounds) their broad competence. This contemporary CEO and CTO clown team? They're just lost in a sea of false values. And those false values really started to take root coming out of WWII and they got replaced with this new martialization of the elite class and industry. A couple of generations of brats who forgot how their elders earned privilege in the first place and look where we are now...

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You seem to pick one or two great leaders during your chosen era, and exclude all the mediocrity from the same period. Rather than Jefferson, why not extoll the virtues of (presidential) Ulysses S Grant, Warren G. Harding, & James Buchanan? Grant may have been a great General, but a fat lot of good this "well roundedness" did for his presidential leadership. You focus on the financial problems of today as a symptom of "how we got in this mess", but ignore the similar disasters that occurred during your so-called enlightened era.

For every "I know a small-minded CEO" you give, I'll give you one that maybe a specialist but has changed the world.

Even if I'd agree with your well-rounded guilded age theory (I don't), with a few exceptions mosy jack of all trades are masters at none.

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Fri Dec 05 23:38:59 -0800 2008
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I dont know if this is Thomas' point, exactly, but look at it in terms not of the average, but of the ideal, of what people tried to be.  Then, the ideal was more ( not entirely, but more ) "Jeffersonian".  The 50's to today, it is increasingly about "how big is your bank account".

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His goal was to explain "how we got in this mess". He conviently ignores the worse messes which invoved similar levels of incompetence, greed, and stupidy, that his so-called "enlightened era" great leaders were part of.

He fully admits his snobbery and his article is the same anti-nouveau riche bullshit we hear constantly from old money. At least nouveau riche are doing something for today rather than reflecting on the good old days

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Sun Dec 07 00:50:46 -0800 2008
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That's crazy talk, disco.

His goal was to explain "how we got in this mess".

My goal was to give an account of certain things. For example, how did we wind up with so many fragile firms, such neglected infrastructure, etc. at just this time.

He conviently ignores the worse messes [earlier depressions] which invoved similar levels of incompetence, greed, and stupidy, that his so-called "enlightened era" great leaders were part of.

You're off the deep end here. You assume I'm trying to give some general "theory of depressions". You assume that those earlier events and the current situation are "singular" -- that they are of a kind and that there must be some single "theory" that explains them all. You assume all of that and then you try to extrapolate said theory from what I wrote, apply it to those earlier events, and when you come up wanting you triumphantly declare that my theory is all wrong. Only, I didn't put forward a theory -- not in that sense. I put forward a theory only about what happened in a particular period of time -- I put forward an account. You went looking for some "calculus" but that's your own problem, not mine.

He fully admits his snobbery and his article is the same anti-nouveau riche bullshit we hear constantly from old money.

If you look more closely you'll see it's old money that I damn more than anyone.

At least nouveau riche are doing something for today rather than reflecting on the good old days

Yeah, mostly they're busy being trouble-makers.

But, anyway, I said nothing about "good old days".


This (disco's mistakes here) seems typical and dangerous to me. People sometimes like to be reductionist (to minimize the amount of facts that might have to be considered) and to aim for big Everything-Explained-in-a-Nutshell theories. Only, it's just a matter of faith that such reduction and such theorizing is a sensible way to look at things.

It's as if I had said "You know, the Sox lost that last game of the series when the shortstop let that grounder by in the second inning. They had no recovery after that. And it's all a consequence of how they changed their training regimen over the past few years." And then Disco came back with "No, that can't be right because they lost in '57, too."

In an example like that you can see that Disco's criticism is a complete non-sequitor. He's responding to something I simply didn't say. But have a similar conversation about the economy and here we are.

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> People sometimes like to be reductionist (to minimize the amount of facts that might have to be considered) and to aim for big Everything-Explained-in-a-Nutshell theories.

Oh, the irony! You just described your own article.

And "facts" you say? Point out a single fact in your article. That was my whole problem with your piece. It was all "pre-WW2 leaders & society was more like this and that, and after WW2 it wasn't". My followup posts were basically: I think you are wrong and even if you're right about this 'enlightenment' (which I still don't understand your definition), it hasn't and won't make a slight bit of difference to this mess or others. i.e. your so-called "enlightened man" is irrelevant when it comes to these big picture items. I was indirectly asking you to prove your position, you know with facts. Still waiting for one, but we've argued long enough I feel ;-)

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The executive summary of my reply here is that you don't understand how real classism is in this country and how influential "high society" is and it's hard to convey concisely. But I'll throw some more at you to maybe make incremental progress:

And "facts" you say? Point out a single fact in your article.

The account I gave is very explicit in saying that it describes "what I see". That is, it is a factual account of my impressions arising from my rather unusually broad experience of many segments of society.

Of what use are my impressions? Perhaps none, perhaps a lot. It's a fact that I come out of the culture I described and traveled around that society a pretty large amount. I've met multiple generations of "those" folks, went to school with quite a few of them, drank wine with a few. I've wandered their basements and attics. On and on.

And, by the way, a lot of the facts I reached for are in the details. For example, I talked about Jefferson's example as a well-rounded person and you balked at the thought he'd be particularly concerned with cooking. Well, see where that got you. I knew about that stuff (learned more about it in this conversation but new about it) because the stories are part of a culture I came from and that I am here reporting the news from.

Another good one was was around the TV dinner and I'll get back to that in minute.

it hasn't and won't make a slight bit of difference to this mess or others

That's quite false but I admit you may have to see it up close to believe it. Business is "relational", especially big business. That is, before there is large scale trade, there is society and if you're not in that society you don't get big contracts, big distribution agreements, financing for your new factory, easy admission for your kids to the Ivy League, favorable attention from the establishment press, the political appointments, the military promotions, etc. The built environment, especially the 20th century part, is largely this society's tribute to itself.

So, let's take the Swanson brothers, eh? Not, as far as I can tell, "old money" in the descended-from-wealthy-colonists sense but scrappy guys who climb the ladder until going into WWII they're a $9M concern and coming out, on the strength of contracts with the Pentagon, a $45M concern. Coming out of the war, high society regards them as loyal new friends even as the state-sponsored demand that propelled them to such hights is, as with all of that generation of industrialists, falling away. They conspire -- and that is the right word for it even though it wasn't a "cloak and dagger" conspiracy -- they conspire along with much of that society to conceive among themselves a "vision" for life in America. Old money begins to flow into "planned community" projects -- suburbs -- and the mouthpieces of old money start spinning yarns about "the company man" as a vision of the patriarch of the "average [sic] American" family.

Well, what have they got? They've got big processing plants -- assembly lines -- for prepared food. They've got that know-how. They've got supply chains from ag to support that business. That's what they do. Only the large demand for canned goods has left its growth trajectory. What better tie-in, when seeking new financing and new trade deals, then play doll-house and design a new class of products to fit into the envisioned lifestyle of the new middle class the elites are trying to construct.

GE will "convert" it's war supply lines to making, say, fridge/freezers. Compressors, fancy new materials for insulation, seals, etc, flexible assembly lines. "Let's put one in every house in America" someone likely said at a swank party or during a tour of the links.

Of course Swanson gets investment for its own conversion because the swell new frozen dinners product is the perfect economic complement, at least on paper.

The echo chamber of high society plays out quite extensively, casting its hegemonic shadow over the whole nation. You'll find, from the 1950s, loyal press speculating breathlessly about the lifestyle changes being constructed. They speculate wildly on "what all means" and "why it all makes such bright shiny sense". TV dinners will, you see, be liberating. Can't afford to give every new ticky-tacky household its own kitchen servants and so, here, have this fine, fine class-A MRE while the bank makes sure that employees of the right firms get mortgages in the "right" new planned communities next to where the modern schools are to be built....

The TV dinner was, like so much of what got built in those years, an attempt to preserve rank by a kind of arrogant and coordinated conversion of the military supply chains to a doll-house lifestyle design for the envisioned middle class.

And the sensibility of the project be damned. Any old enough coot in the 1950s would take one look at the whole project behind a TV dinner (industrial farming, industrial food prep, massive dependence on refrigeration, massive dependence on long range shipping, and a poor quality output) and say "this is just dumb."

What accounts for the difference between the old coots and young turks? Why was high society hell bent on conversion (rather than replacement) of the military industrial complex? Why were they so (in retrospect) laughably naive about "lifestyle" design that they left us with so many infrastructure problems?

Not many years before, the big "growth story" in consumer goods had been, for example, the Sears catalog. Aimed pridefully at serving a rural consumer with solid equipment for which parts were easy to come by or fabricate. Serving organic demand rather than marketing a radical new "vision" of the lifestyle of Corporate man. What changed?

To me, from the stories I see in those families and in the stories of the middle class, it's the interruption of WWII. The "young turks", the new generation of industrialists, had their educations interrupted, never took over the reins of estates, never learned much bottom to top before they got in positions of considerable power. Their offspring are even more "out of it" when you talk with them. And that formation around capital engenders around itself a supporting cast of "nuveau" who reflects themselves and still sells a quite crazy vision of idealized middle-class life. It's like a high society version of Lord of the Flies.

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Give me a break.

Well, when you ask that way: no.

Here is some irony for you. You offer, to ridicule the idea of Jefferson's engagement in matters culinary, a fake quote. "What," you suggest, "are we supposed to believe that Jefferson would say something like:"

"Hey uneducated slave, you get out of the kitchen as I don't think you're enlightened enough for this".

You should read up on James Hemming, the uncle of some of Jefferson's children and the slave that ran Jefferson's kitchen for a period.

Indeed, Jefferson reasoned that Hemming needed his horizons broadened and his learning deepened and so, yes, took him out of Monticello kitchen and on journey to France to study with great chefs there.

Another bit of trivia: the first recorded ice cream recipe in the U.S. is in Jefferson's handwriting. It's a recipe for vanilla ice cream with what would by today's standards be considered a mediocre (at best) texture. The failings by modern standards of the recipe are attributed to the lack of ice cream making machines -- Jefferson's recipe calls for periodic hand stirring in a bowl rather than constant agitation thus the resulting ice cream would have ice crystals that are large by modern standards. It would still have been a stand-out dish at the time and, frankly, side-by-side I think it would do well even today (our modern texture fetish is a bit exaggerated).

James Hemmings muffin recipe looks great. Perhaps I'll give it a try this weekend (set up the dough Saturday and cook them up Sunday to go with tea and coffee). Basically: a water dough (don't forget some salt), left overnight, cooked on hot iron, no oil or butter, served hot off the griddle. Yum!

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