Carbon Capture and Storage

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Carbon Capture and Storage

zogger

Mon May 26 14:36:00 -0700 2008

Environment.

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Carbon capture and storage, or CCS is what the coal industry is really interested in, in order to keep mining coal and generating cheap electricity with it. Critics contend it is unproven and is relying on large governmental subsidies to get developed, and will just insure that we stay "on coal" for a long time, rather than making a big push with the manpower and research and development money for inherently cleaner renewable energy. Proponents say they have the engineering skill to pull it off and want to get started now on injecting captured co2 deep underground.

"Companies have been injecting CO2 into the ground already, including in efforts to help force the last bits of oil out of oilfields, but the scale does not match what is needed to store CO2 from coal-fired plants."

ed.z.: I've heard a lot of critics complain about solar PV power needing subsidies..well..coal is a rather long running, mature and lucrative business, and the cost is always compared, like coal pays its own way all the time..so....why exactly do *they* need government subsidy?

ed.z.2: note on new software: the default editor will not allow the common abbreviation r ampersand d to be published, had to write it out. Here is the error message

preface: line 9 column 29 - Warning: unescaped [have to write it out, ampersand symbol should be here in error message] or unknown entity ["same deal D]"

Also, links are not underlined in the final post, but are in the preview pane, but they do change color, to my semi color blind eyes, almost identical to the text color, very little difference, needs loads more contrast or something, plus the underlining.

Seamonkey spell checker seems to work. I have javascript and images turned on, I'll try one next without them.

Carbon Capture and Storage

Timothy Brownawell

Mon May 26 15:47:42 -0700 2008
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Will they also be capturing and burying the radioactive parts of the coal exhaust?
ed.z.2: note on new software: the default editor will not allow the common abbreviation r ampersand d to be published, had to write it out.
I think it wants an extra amp;, &amp; instead of &. Apparently the first one gets eaten during preview. Can't really test this myself, since the sections are apparently invalid (?).

Carbon Capture and Storage

tqft

Mon May 26 17:50:05 -0700 2008
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www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23745100-26103,00.html

"May 23, 2008



TENDERS for carbon dioxide capture and geological storage (CCS) ventures could be sought by December.

Federal Resources Minister Martin Ferguson last week unveiled draft legislation to establish the world's first framework for CCS.

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He said calling for tenders this year would encourage investment and commercialisation of the technology, which he described as a safe way to allow continued carbon-based power generation with reduced impact on the environment, News Ltd reports. "

Good or bad now there is money to be made someone will come forward

the first scam

zogger

Mon May 26 18:01:15 -0700 2008
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I'm waiting for the first scam. One of these deep mines they will pump into will have a secret back door exhaust miles away. Pump it in for profit at one end, it leaks out the other, a variation on trophy fishing, "catch and release".

Another thing...just suppose one of these places manages to pump in and I guess compress a million or six tons of co2. Suppose that badboy blows its top one day, like a man made volcano? I am wondering exactly what sort of compressors and seals are needed to store millions of tons. I understand the container, a big hole in the ground, I just don't get how they plan on keeping it corked up.

Seismic affects

brouhaha

Mon May 26 22:55:41 -0700 2008
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In the 1960s, Rocky Mountain Arsenal tried to get rid of waste by pumping it into the ground. When they started doing that, there was an increase in seismic activity in the region, including several earthquakes that caused significant damage. When they finally stopped doing it, the seismic activity tapered off.

Fixed

Bruce Perens

Tue May 27 12:45:20 -0700 2008
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The HTML entity eater has been vanquished. You can type in an & in raw HTML. HTML Tidy will complain once in the preview, and tell you that it fixed it, and the save will work. If you are typing raw HTML, the proper way to type an ampersand is & The fancy javascript editors will output the right thing and not require fixing.

Carbon Capture and Storage

Spider

Tue May 27 19:16:34 -0700 2008
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Turn the captured CO2 to dry ice and bury it at both poles to prevent the ice caps melting. (makes as much sense as turning it to a liquid).

Theres no doubt the term "Global Warming" is being dropped for the term "Climate Change" . Hedging their bets.