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zogger Tue, 06 May 2008 18:19:04 PDT Science
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Practical preparedness, or old school traditional "survivalism" is hitting the mainstream more and more. It is now becoming trendy to have a bit more than one days rations and a couple of bottles of water in the abode.
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.."In a world in which people and systems are increasingly "interconnected", the potential for infrastructure to collapse is great, he says. Political disturbances in Kenya, drought in Australia or crop disease in South America can quickly affect food prices in the UK. And globally, everything from modern mass agriculture to transport and industry is dependent on the availability of oil."
ed.z.: "firing over their heads"!?!..waste of bullets ;) And all tinned food is passe', you also have food in 5 and 6 gallon sealed buckets......
ed.z.2: "Pray for the best, plan for the worst" is the old motto. It is really only the last two generations or so that "practical preparedness" fell out of favor. From whenever humans filled up the back of the cave in the fall for the long winter ahead, storing to last for multiple seasons was the "norm" if at all possible. What is happening is that people are recognizing that thousands of years of history and precedent had logical merit. Having your "stocks and commodities" on hand and in hand is a lot better than theoretically someplace at the long end of a fragile economic and delivery chain. The old "weakest link" deal there.
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Thomas Lord Tue, 06 May 2008 19:40:19 PDT
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re ed.z.2
That is one of the more hopeful things -- that there's still enough free-floating old cultural memory for kids today to figure things out in spite of their parents.
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GenKreton Tue, 06 May 2008 19:58:35 PDT
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Take it from one of those younger guys, depending on where we grew up, there definitely isn't much; not even close to enough.
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Thomas Lord Tue, 06 May 2008 20:09:34 PDT
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don't panic.
And, I would say: don't leap for "survivalist" ahead of competence and/or means.
Your imagination and cultural exposure you might even have from, say, TV are a good place to start.
If you feel like it, chat a bit about your material circumstance here (don't be too personal unlike some of us (cough, cough). I'd bet a quarter some of the wise folks (or wise-asses :-) would kibbitz a little.
What might a sustainable life look like, where and how you are? Then "how to get from here to there" is a separate question that becomes easier to ask.
"Stand in the place where you are. / Now face north. / Think about direction; wonder why you never thought about it before..." -- some song (approximately)
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Uncle Entity Tue, 06 May 2008 20:31:20 PDT
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Cool, all those Gilligan's Island reruns weren't a waste of time after all.
Just need a steady supply of bamboo and a mid-western girl...
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GenKreton Tue, 06 May 2008 22:48:00 PDT
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I live a sporadic sort of life being a university student. My home is in the suburbs, I go to school in the rural White Mountains of Vermont - until Sunday, then I go to graduate school in Boston in the fall - and I spend my summers working at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas. It seems extremely difficult to prepare when you do need to exist at so many locations and when the locations are so diverse.
I have only recently become interested in this sort of thing. Most of the people I know never pay an ounce of attention to the matter with one exception. The backwoods boys from the areas where I go to school know their survivalism. They have food stores, they can raise their own food, they know what moss is good for insulating their log cabins and what plants can be eaten in the wild.
As for me, I am just trying to learn some things and separate what I can prepare for and need to from the fear-mongering. If I had a clue about what I didn't know, then I could easily learn. The problem is, growing up in the city and suburbs, most of us don't even know this sort of topic exists in modern society and have no idea where to begin on the topic. Even something as simple as carrying a knife can lead to troubles in the city.
Technocrat has introduced me to a number of good topics concerning this but some of it is more practical than others. Anyways, I guess my concerns are finding out what I don't know, discovering what is necessary and practical, and then applying it.
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Thomas Lord Tue, 06 May 2008 23:07:25 PDT
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One thing that occurs to me and that also helps temper the whole thread here is, as the Laurie Anderson puts it in "From the Air": You... Are not... Alone.
Personal responsibility and contribution take many forms. And, after all, the goal here is not to be able make it a few years living wild in the woods or sequestered in a cave but to preserve civilization and Enlightenment culture.
So, you travel a bit. You are itinerant, wherever you go for now. You couldn't safely pick a mushroom in the forest to save your life. So ain't many of us.
One thing is to think about putting down roots, wherever you go. Get some time well away from your academic, professional, and class peers. Meet some locals. Form attachments. Form bonds. Learn the larger social world.
Hey, maybe an imagined post-apocalyptic world will need travelers who can help with trade between Texas and Vermont. Or maybe you wind up signing up as hired hand on a farm in Texas. Or maybe you wind up as the communications link for a neighborhood in Roxbury.
Learn your way around neighborhood bars. Meet your merchants. Learn the supply chains where you travel. Learn the underground. Get real saavy.
Try and keep a little gelt, always, for crossing borders.
Tell the boys in Houston I say "hi" (unlikely anyone will have a clue why but slim chance -- so, nah, don't bother).
In summary, yeah -- there's folks (friends of yrs) who become expert in the backwoods of the good country in VT ... well, you complement that and become expert in the social fabric.
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p.s.: it's such a beautiful piece (the Anderson bit) and really, rather apropos so... here's a shortcut to a youtube version of From the Air. It's basically just the audio ... the video component is nada.
"We are all going down. Together. And I said 'Uh-oh'."
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Uncle Entity Tue, 06 May 2008 20:24:25 PDT
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Reminds me of the Y2K scare.
Reporter: Will all the computers be fixed before the Impending Doom?
IT Guy: Oh, there's no way...we're all doomed!!!
Reporter: Well, will your company be ready?
IT Guy: Oh yeah, it's a high priority task, no problem here—but all those other companies will never get it done on time. Clock is ticking...we're doomed! Society is going to collapse!! Looting and mayhem!!! I can already see it as soon as all the critical systems crash!!!!
Reporter: But your system is good though?
It Guy: Yeah, we'll have it done with time to spare. In fact the job's almost finished...just need to do some final testing to make sure we didn't miss anything because that would be Real Bad™, if you know what I mean.
It's always the other guy that's the weak link that will take the whole system down...no matter how many interviews they conduct it is the same story every time.
Gotta wonder how such a fragile system survives even the smallest bump in the road.
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Thomas Lord Tue, 06 May 2008 22:25:26 PDT
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Nonsense.
Y2K was a real problem. The elite class actually formed consensus about the real problem. Large sums were spent to fix the problem. Retirees were paid premiums to come back to work and help. The threat was substantially averted.
The article in the top post is about the near opposite. The elite class recognize the problem, sure. But the protagonist of the story recommends that those of sufficient means bunker up. Withdraw from spending and working on the solution. Seek high ground.
Well, one thing to do when s- hits fan is to make sure that they are not rewarded for that. There won't be a lot else worth doing and that will be satisfying.
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Uncle Entity Tue, 06 May 2008 23:06:54 PDT
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The elite class actually formed consensus about the real problem... The threat was substantially averted.
After they took to the hills and partied like it's 1999...
TFA isn't really talking (much) about a catastrophic event but is saying get out of town for a week or two while the experts fix whatever trivial inconvience causes them to have to live like the common people.
Now if you factor in all the 'peaks', the majority of which are pure hype(except maybe oil and that won't really hit for a while), then you can make the assumption that bad things are on the horizon and everyone must prepare for Armageddon Time.
Yeah, the faulty price system makes it appear there are shortages in a whole bunch of commodities and the dumb-ass politicians keep up that myth partly to deflect blame away from the Fed's inflation, partly because they don't know any better and partly because it's an election year and they need a scapegoat to skewer over the flames of discontent.
Doesn't help that people are claiming that the last time the US was on bad times there were food shortages, there was plenty of food (farmers couldn't export it because of all the tariffs) but the State took it upon itself to keep it off the market to keep commodities at inflationary boom highs because deflation is the debil.
Now down through the ages we have tales of (government induced) shortages, (government induced) 25% unemployment and a decade long (government induced) Depression.
I have little doubt that Obama will poke and prod the markets enough to induce a famine somewhere and then he can point to the 'market failure' to show how we can't leave the feeding of the people to the whims of chance.
Then you'll need your fully stocked bug-out shelter in the hills...
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Thomas Lord Wed, 07 May 2008 00:21:16 PDT
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So much to potentially respond to but... not just yet. Soon, perhaps. As WSB advises, T.Y.T.
"Snatch and grab," Kim chants.
Yes, Mike was drawing too fast, much too fast.
Kim's hand snaps down flexible and sinuous as a whip and up with his gun extended in both hands at eye level.
"Jerk and miss."
He felt Mike's bullet whistle past his left shoulder.
Trying for a heart shot...
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"Well, space is here. Space is where your ass it."On a minor point, in thread at least... If everyone in the west prepared for Armageddon (presuming, incorrectly, that everyone could) why then, as a helpful consequence, it wouldn't happen. Because with all that preparedness and demand for utility, why, productive capacity would once again start to get healthy. My concern in this narrow context is of elites who think they can ride shit out by exercising their privilege not to actually fix problems, but to stock up on corn flakes and iodine and land in Argentina and imagine themselves landing in an idyllic rural, depopulated paradise.
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President4242 Wed, 07 May 2008 09:12:31 PDT
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Because with all that preparedness and demand for utility, why, productive capacity would once again start to get healthy. My concern in this narrow context is of elites who think they can ride shit out by exercising their privilege not to actually fix problems, but to stock up on corn flakes and iodine and land in Argentina and imagine themselves landing in an idyllic rural, depopulated paradise.
The problem with that is that even the POOREST American is the elite in this world. So all the prepardness and demand for utility would increase productive capacity- but far more likely productive capacity where labor is cheap than where it is expensive, thus actually making the current productive capacity problem worse rather than better.
Though, a thought occurs to me- why can't we chain together a string of ocean barges in a big circle with stops at LA, Astoria, Seatle, Hokaido, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea, with an intermediary stop in Hawaii? Then we could use land based solar, wind, and wave power on the cable instead of all that fuel oil to move our cargo containers around the world.....
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Thomas Lord Wed, 07 May 2008 10:42:03 PDT
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Wow. Two 'graphs, three points, and each an interesting one. Back to front:
why can't we chain together a string of ocean barges in a big circle with stops at LA, Astoria, Seatle, Hokaido, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea, with an intermediary stop in Hawaii? Then we could use land based solar, wind, and wave power on the cable instead of all that fuel oil to move our cargo containers around the world.....
Is there a mech. eng. in the room? Intuitively, I would worry that the power losses from mechanical transmission would be too high, that unless you kept the thing saturated carrying useful loads the weight of the cable would be absurdly high, that cable breaks would be incredibly common, that you need to build anchored platforms in way-too-deep ocean, and (of course) that metal thieves would sneak up at night and steal the cable for scrap :-). It's an amusing picture, though.
Have you heard that people are, in fact, working out the practicality of fitting sails to shipping vessels? Not quite the same idea as transmitting land-based power but it does at least use wind to reduce fuel requirements. Just imagine the site of a sailing ship that large...
prepardness and demand for utility would increase productive capacity- but far more likely productive capacity where labor is cheap than where it is expensive,
That's a miscommunication between us. By (survival and sustainability related) "demand for utility" I meant "demand for utility at hand". Guy has had a couple of pieces lately that illustrate. One asks the question: "Is the UK capable of manufacturing a 0-imports wheelbarrow, if it had to?" The other asks: "Is this county capable of making, say, a screw?" That's more like the kind of "demand for utility" I was thinking of.
Those are tricky kinds of preparedness to arrange because, as you say, comparative advantage gives a positive disincentive most of the time to actually manufacture purely domestic or regional wheelbarrows and screws. Rubber for wheels, sheet metal for buckets, and oil to run generators, etc. all come much cheaper off the ships at the loading dock. Well, for now. So how do you justify spending to develop those capacities of a robust region?
Well, if demand for preparedness were sufficiently high then even while global trade is going strong there are ways to do it. People might tax themselves, in some instances, much as we tax ourselves to maintain fire stations and paramedics. Entrepreneurs might find clever "multi-purpose" designs and "flexible input" designs so that tomorrow's native machine shop making screws is today's global market machine shop making.... who knows. Or people might simply develop these capacities under private ownership, essentially as a hobby and as educational facility to keep bootstrapping knowledge strong.
It's that kind of demand I meant: a kind that, by definition, isn't content with the state of comparative advantage at any one time.
That would still create ancillary demand (for the tools needed to bootstrap the bootstrapping tools) of a sort that would increase demand for labor where labor is cheapest, raw materials where they are cheapest, etc. But that global trade would be directed to improving local capacity.
When local productive capacity is high and flexible, perhaps I read too much Jane Jacobs but I would expect that the entrepreneurial spirit would be irresistible. People wouldn't just keep the idled factory tidy, dusting it off every now and then. They'd find uses for it even when globalism is in full force. Perhaps the machine shop would be exporting really exquisite and highly specialized lab equipment. Perhaps the scrap metal refinery would be selling sheet metal locally (to keep shipping costs down), below cost, at market prices -- but making margins using waste heat to power and rent space in a cold storage warehouse to local farmers.
A good way to keep unemployment down, and thus help to stabilize geopolitics, is to have an improvisational, abundant, productive capacity. "Oh no! 200 local workers just got laid off." Ok, well, trot out any of the dozens new product ideas sitting on the shelf, rearrange some machines in an underutilized shop, and give them new jobs. Simple as that.
It doesn't work if the underutilized shop isn't there. It doesn't work if "step 1" has to be "import capital, export debt". The hypothesis here is that the steps that make regions more robustly prepared are the same steps that build an "improvisational, abundant, productive capacity" and thus help to reduce or eliminate the need to import capital and export debt just to begin a new activity.
The problem with that is that even the POOREST American is the elite in this world.
Can we retire this old trope yet?
The elites of the world are the elites of the world and they can be found almost everywhere. The rising middle classes are most definitely more typical of India than America. America lacks famine-stricken regions, for now, to be sure but America's poorest certainly have a hefty share of food insecurity, housing insecurity, poor health and shortened life spans, etc.
I almost conceded that, well, Americans universally enjoy some roman empire-style amenities like running water and sewage systems but then I remembered the numbers of people shitting on the streets. (Enter Disco to explain that, yeah, but that's all meth-head shit. :-)
And, more to the point, if we're talking about wealth rather than riches it isn't at all clear Americans are all that "elite". Median and average income, gdp, etc. are all pretty good, sure. The robustness of domestic tranquility? Looks pretty shaky to me, at least.
Oh, I just remembered. Your cables and barges idea. I kept thinking I'd heard it before but couldn't think where. I'm pretty sure I didn't hear it before but it does remind me "that sci-fi novel" (was it "Snowcrash"?) that featured sovereign floating city-states comprised with a core of lashed together barges.
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Thornton Wed, 07 May 2008 05:46:16 PDT
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I believe in being prepared, and my wife and I are working on that. However, I can't help but think of a line from Dune: Fear is the mind killer.
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