A little over a year ago, we had an article here entitled
"Go Ogle Maps",
which discussed what I'll call the first wave of complaints
regarding the very visual nature of Google's "Street
View" and the ways in which Google ammasses information for
it.
Has Google changed its stance from its erstwhile credo of
"Do
No Evil" to "complete privacy does not exist"
[too many references to single
one out. Just, um, google it]?
Actually, Google never said "Do No Evil". What
they did say was, "You can make money without doing
evil", and that's just point #6 under the heading of
"Ten things
Google has found to be true". So technically, they never
promised to be these good guys that the industry reporters have
made them out to be. Also, it does not appear to me as if Google
has a money problem. So, the question is, what other reasons do
they have for doing this? George Dyson's
recently-slashdotted short story "Engineers'
Dreams" implies that Google is searching us more than we
are searching Google. In my very insignificant opinion, this has
been perfectly obvious for a number of years already, and the
things they are doing with all that knowledge is mindboggling.
So what does it mean when Google states that complete privacy
does not exist?
Well for starters, it means that they dare say it; they've
become big and powerful enough that it can't possibly affect
them in the slightest if a few of us are horrified and outraged.
It also means they can get away with it. They're probably
also so settled in their "Do No Evil" karma that it
would take a lot more for the industry to change their
view on the giant. Besides, in our day and age, what body of
government is going to stop them? It's that business of who
will throw the first rock in the glass house (snicker).
"But," I hear you say, "okay so they've driven
up people's driveways and made photographs, but they could
just as well have been made with a satellite or a telephoto lens.
Plus, you know you can just submit a removal form via their
website. There, now it's no longer invasion of privacy."
I don't subscribe to that point of view, but I can see why it
seems to make sense. It's not a matter of from where
you snap a photo, or that they offer an after-the-fact opt-out
form, it's that they do it to begin with without my
consent or knowledge. If we were talking about unsolicited
email, faxes, or phone calls, would you accept an opt-out service
after you've been spammed? Not that you could even compare it
like that, because that's just annoying to you, it
does not publically display private information. All this talk
about people or things that are found to be in places they're
not supposed to be, all I can say is is that that's
not a service.
Naturally, had Google not said this in the first place, the
situation itself would have been no different, and I guess most
of us here are already quite aware that trying to protect
one's privacy is utterly impossible and only results in
personal misery and depression. After all, it's not really
just Google I'm talking about.
Why not just embrace the new world, they're only offering a
service, they're our side, and aren't we the better off
for it? Because it fills me with apprehension, is why. When I
want to go my own ways, it's nice to know that I can. For
instance, saving on gas by driving a little more leisurely (or
just biking to work), or opting for low-energy lighting and
appliances. Sometimes, you just have to do what everybody else is
doing or you'd have disaster, such as driving on the same
side of the road as everyone else. ...And yet other times,
you have no choice but to do what everybody else is
doing, all the while being absolutely certain it'll end up in
disaster exactly because everyone is such a sheep.
I'm still caring and protective about my privacy but, like
the time I saw a film with a British WWI prisoner who
meticulously pretended to shave even though he hadd neither
straight razor, brush, nor mirror, I'm not entirely sure I
know who I'm kidding.
Rough road to travel, but once underway it gets a littler easier.
Obviously in our society you can't be totally private unless
you like go to the Himalayas and live in an ice cave or
something, but you can be a lot more free by just stopping doing
what you said, following along with the herd and doing everything
they do. Just pick small things, get independent, and work from
there. The old "How do you eat an elephant?" question,
one bite at a time.
Privacy allows for greater freedom of choice for an individual.
Many people would feel constrained from many actions if performed
in front of others. Stage fright is an example, but expand that
to any number of other things - learning to drive, play golf
whatever. If a video of your learning was available to anybody it
would definitely constrain courses of action.
Privacy reduces the chance of corrupt government intervention. If
the data about my whereabouts is not available than it can't
tempt someone to misuse it.
Similarly for criminal activity. Availability and ease of search
of information such as what I have in the backyard would increase
the possibility of theft.
Asymmetrical privacy, which I see no way of avoiding, David
Brin's "Transparent Society" notwithstanding, leads
to increased chance for use of beliefs and behavior as a bludgeon
by government. Increasing and ensuring personal privacy as much
as possible, makes society and government less apt to
create tyranny of the majority situations.
There are many more reasons. Humans have always lived in smaller
groups with personal knowledge among personal acquaintances. I
have no problem with my neighbors or visitors to my neighbors
looking into my yard. I have an issue with pictures of my yard
being accessible and searchable to the world for who
knows what use.
I'm not to sure how google got dragged into all this. If you
want complete and total privacy build a 20' fence around your
house—hold on, zoning laws you say?
I can't think of any corporation that isn't in the sights
of some predatory lawyer waiting for the day that someone walks
into their office with, "my privacy was invaded, look you
can google it."
Much ado about nothing.
Wake me up when they start publishing genetic information cross
referenced with buying habits and medical history like Thomas
Lord was going on about.
To keep from going nuts? Throw some sci fi at it. Suppose
everyone was full telepathic. Imagine just the sheer noise level
in your head from being able to hear everything all the time.
Think of the stress factor as you had to suffer through everyone
else's problems along with your own. heck, even experiencing
everyone else's "joy" would be stressful enough.
We have a phrase, peace and quiet, it is only half achieved in
the quietest library, because you know it could be interrupted at
any moment, and that you have no recourse to stop it. So we have
rooms, with doors, that both open and shut.
Some people have higher tolerances than others, for instance, I
once spent two weeks in NYC and that was *it* couldn't stand
any more, just way too loud, the city sounds, sirens, non stop
talking everywhere, cabs, etc, just all of it, intruded so bad it
felt like you couldn't escape. Felt like a prison to me.
Never gone back either, just too much. Any advantages were
grossly outweighed by the disadvantages, for those things that
have personal value to me. I don't need the theater when I
have a creek and some plants and animals to look at. I don't
need 20 good restaurants within walking distance when I have one
good garden and a kitchen. I'll trade non stop 24/7 traffic
noise for occasional tractor noise, because I can control the
on/off switch there.
In societies that lack thick walls and stout doors and have very
little living space, say where they use paper walls, privacy is
an artform that must be learned from birth, and it still leads to
a stress filled society. It's easier to just have more space.
heh, remember the the original star trek episode with the crowded
planet, and it was crowded because they had eliminated want and
disease? No one lacked for anything except *privacy*. It
backfired on them. It was driving them nuts, it got so bad that
the foxy space babe seduced kirk so she could get a disease and
help thin the population out.
A "Private Road" sign is meaningless. A "No
Trespassing" sign is necessary but not sufficient. The law
does not require literacy. Plus you can't expect people to
respect your property boundaries if they can't tell where
those boundaries are. That means a fence is also required. If
your gate is posted but not padlocked then neighbors and the Avon
Lady can and will come on your property if they feel they have a
good reason. And law enforcement, surveyors, and other agents of
the state can come on your property at any time if they have
reason. That includes hot pursuit for police, or surveying your
neighbor's land for surveyors. Many times survey crews get
run off at gunpoint. They just come back with the sheriff. And if
someone isn't on your land they can take all the pictures
they want. Google photographers' rights. Exception: military
installations and the like. Check your deed. When you buy land
you become a partner of the state. Guess who is the junior
partner.
I'm much more concerned with Google keeping records of all
the searches I make. Or if I used GMail (I don't) searching
through that for things to advertise to me.
I really can't get bothered about a homeowner bitching about
Google taking photos of the outside of his house. Big deal. Grow
a hedge. Put curtains on your windows.
If you want total privacy, buy a square mile of land and put a
fence around it. Put up a camo net for the paparazzi in
helicopters.
Whenever the subject of privacy comes up, people seem to treat it
as a boolean.
In the "True camp" we have residents (sorry for the
pop-culture stereotype) of Montana, cash-only types, and to a
lesser extent, zogger.
In the "False camp" we have those who say that true
privacy is impossible, so why pretend privacy exists, at all.
Neither side is right. We're a society, and unless
you're willing to move to the far side of the moon, or
further, total privacy is impossible. (Even then, the Lunar
Surveyer and it's ilk will take photos of you.) But by
the same token, I don't think any of us are ready to have
cameras installed in our bedrooms and bathrooms, to name a few.
Perhaps the best value would be to establish privacy as a
continuum, and begin to define what reasonable points on that
continuum are.
Actually, they did. Its their corporate motto, displayed at
headquarters in numerous locations, it was widely quoted and
referred to by the CEO during the IPO, and most importantly, its
referred to repeatedly on their (still current) conduct page:
Is Google Past "Do No Evil"?
A little over a year ago, we had an article here entitled "Go Ogle Maps", which discussed what I'll call the first wave of complaints regarding the very visual nature of Google's "Street View" and the ways in which Google ammasses information for it.
Has Google changed its stance from its erstwhile credo of "Do No Evil" to "complete privacy does not exist" [too many references to single one out. Just, um, google it]?
Actually, Google never said "Do No Evil". What they did say was, "You can make money without doing evil", and that's just point #6 under the heading of "Ten things Google has found to be true". So technically, they never promised to be these good guys that the industry reporters have made them out to be. Also, it does not appear to me as if Google has a money problem. So, the question is, what other reasons do they have for doing this? George Dyson's recently-slashdotted short story "Engineers' Dreams" implies that Google is searching us more than we are searching Google. In my very insignificant opinion, this has been perfectly obvious for a number of years already, and the things they are doing with all that knowledge is mindboggling.
So what does it mean when Google states that complete privacy does not exist?
Well for starters, it means that they dare say it; they've become big and powerful enough that it can't possibly affect them in the slightest if a few of us are horrified and outraged. It also means they can get away with it. They're probably also so settled in their "Do No Evil" karma that it would take a lot more for the industry to change their view on the giant. Besides, in our day and age, what body of government is going to stop them? It's that business of who will throw the first rock in the glass house (snicker).
"But," I hear you say, "okay so they've driven up people's driveways and made photographs, but they could just as well have been made with a satellite or a telephoto lens. Plus, you know you can just submit a removal form via their website. There, now it's no longer invasion of privacy." I don't subscribe to that point of view, but I can see why it seems to make sense. It's not a matter of from where you snap a photo, or that they offer an after-the-fact opt-out form, it's that they do it to begin with without my consent or knowledge. If we were talking about unsolicited email, faxes, or phone calls, would you accept an opt-out service after you've been spammed? Not that you could even compare it like that, because that's just annoying to you, it does not publically display private information. All this talk about people or things that are found to be in places they're not supposed to be, all I can say is is that that's not a service.
Naturally, had Google not said this in the first place, the situation itself would have been no different, and I guess most of us here are already quite aware that trying to protect one's privacy is utterly impossible and only results in personal misery and depression. After all, it's not really just Google I'm talking about.
Why not just embrace the new world, they're only offering a service, they're our side, and aren't we the better off for it? Because it fills me with apprehension, is why. When I want to go my own ways, it's nice to know that I can. For instance, saving on gas by driving a little more leisurely (or just biking to work), or opting for low-energy lighting and appliances. Sometimes, you just have to do what everybody else is doing or you'd have disaster, such as driving on the same side of the road as everyone else. ...And yet other times, you have no choice but to do what everybody else is doing, all the while being absolutely certain it'll end up in disaster exactly because everyone is such a sheep.
I'm still caring and protective about my privacy but, like the time I saw a film with a British WWI prisoner who meticulously pretended to shave even though he hadd neither straight razor, brush, nor mirror, I'm not entirely sure I know who I'm kidding.