The Revolt Against Bloat

Thu Aug 28 19:56:00 -0700 2008
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Some new computer buyers are just so sick of tons of trialware bloat on new machines they are paying the store techs to immediately remove it. This runs directly up against the wishes of the big computer makers, because installing all that trialware is close to being all the profit they make on the machines, as they get paid to install that software by the vendors.

"You'd be surprised how often consumers tell us to get rid of it," said Robert Stephens, the head of Geek Squad, the technical support division of Best Buy that removes the software. He declined to say how many people were paying for the service, but said that "it's going to increase in popularity." ed.z.: all I have to say is....HAHAHAHAHAHA! This is like the missile anti anti anti missile deal! I think it is cool people are finally getting fed up enough with crapware that they just say no. They so much do NOT want that crap they are willing to pay the same 30 bucks to remove it as BigCompuCo makes installing it! This should be a big fat clue to those companies on where software is, and where it is headed. Bloat for bloat's sake is just silly. And it is only a short step there to not running any paid bloat at all, just getting a barebones machine that works, then choosing what THEY want, not what some outside corporation *insists* they should want. The same techs could be saying to the customers, "OK, you have the machine you want, now look at this menu, tell us what you want, you get the custom install". That would be some decent initial customer service.

Step 1: Reformat

Thu Aug 28 23:35:56 -0700 2008
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Who purchases a new computer from XYZ manufacturer, and DOESN'T immediately reformat the drive? If you don't, and you hold a geek card, turn it in.

Of course, in my case, it's done to install my O/S of choice (Fedora Core) but leaving it as configured is a recipe for nagging and annoying stuff.

Step 1: Reformat
Fri Aug 29 02:10:30 -0700 2008
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If I purchase a computer from Apple, it's good to go right out of the box. I then install the normal Software Updates and a couple of other utilities - but there's nothing that seriously hampers the machine's performance just by being there, nothing that nags me just because it's sitting there installed on the hard drive.

Some of the larger OEMs offer a build-to-order options to remove the crapware, but you have to pay extra for it. Some also offer the option to "upgrade" from Vista to XP, also at a cost... Fuck that's crazy.

Step 1: Reformat
Fri Aug 29 07:35:51 -0700 2008
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I hate to say it, but I'm still a Windoze guy.  However, while I no longer reformat the drive as the first thing, the first thing I do is put on a copy of HijackThis, and strip the machine down to the bare drivers.

If I'm going to have bloatware, I'm going to install it myself, thank you very much.

The Revolt Against Bloat
Thu Aug 28 23:38:03 -0700 2008
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And it is only a short step there to not running any paid bloat at all, just getting a barebones machine that works, then choosing what THEY want, not what some outside corporation *insists* they should want.

Yeah, I like linux too...

There are a few options if you have to have Windows..

Fri Aug 29 09:09:51 -0700 2008
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Obviously avoiding Windows in the first place is the optimum choice for "card carrying" geeks, but assuming that a Windows machine is a requirement...

1. DIY assemble your computer, or have a computer shop do it for you if you're not a geek.

2. Dell has its Vostro line of small business computers that come without crapware installed. Not even a virus scanner trial version, which they are careful to warn about. That was our choice at the office where Windows machines were required by the specialized software package for our line of business.

Perhaps the next step is for the manufacturer to offer crapware freedom as a paid-for option. I don't know how they'd spin it to make it look like getting crapware was somehow beneficial, but I'm sure they'd try.

Having the crap uninstalled by a third party would seem to me to allow the manufacturer to still collect the fees from the crapware pushers, but given the choice, I'd pay the higher non-crapware-subsidized price to the manufacturer than rely on "Geek Squad" to do the job correctly...  assuming I couldn't DIY the removal, which I can and have done for friends.

News?

Fri Aug 29 09:27:21 -0700 2008
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I am sort of surprised that this is news.  It's an old problem that is well known.  Even mainstream tech sites like CNet and Tech Lite sites like Lifehacker have covered the use and the popularity of Windows XP install disks with all the updates slipstreamed in and all the crap removed with XPLite.  If these sites are talking about those ISOs on The Pirate Bay being more popular than Vista you know the PC business is just hurting themselves with such a strategy.

The Revolt Against Bloat
Fri Aug 29 09:38:42 -0700 2008
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I know the techs are not at fault for this one, but saying "I will remove it for a fee" or the OS vendor charging higher for one that is free from crapware is nothing less than extortion.

Refusing to sell it with the crap on it may send a message (doubt it). Have to watch even the program installs for tag-a-long crap. Been biten by this one myself several times.

I know the almighty dollar/eruo/yen/whatever will win out though.