There is a fast widening split in the US economically, it's
in the middle of what is loosely termed "middle class"
and obviously the split and hurt is being felt more at the low
end. Recent minor minimum wage hikes aren't even close to
addressing real world price hikes for most everything, and
the situation is getting dire for a lot of people as they are
forced to not choose between necessities and luxuries, but just
between necessities. According to the article, a lot of those
folks at that end still have hope for the future, but that is
easy enough to see how that is possible, hope by itself costs $0
and still won't pay bill one.
For many low-wage workers, financial struggles persist and
anxiety is high even when the economy is humming. Most of them
occupy an uneasy and often overlooked place on the nation's
economic spectrum, hovering above poverty but still grasping for
the relative comfort of the middle class. ed.z.: you can
throw all the numbers in terms of dollars at any situation you
want, but bottom line is, at minimum rage levels and a little
above, the subject of the above article, you are trading hours of
labor for other goods and services. And I contend, when you look
at it that way, that globalization for a lot of people in the US
has been an outright disaster. I've mused on this before and
offer a general perspective from back when we didn't have
near as much fast globalization and the US was still a
manufacturing -wealth production- powerhouse for all goods, not
just a few goods. We still produced wealth then in the real
sense, we weren't "in debt", we had general
savings, etc, totally different now. The US made everything, from
sneakers to moon rockets, televisions to every piece of furniture
and appliance in the house, almost all the clothes people wore,
made here, and so on. all of the above.
Then and now. Minimum wage=one hour labor for this example. Then-
4-5 gallons gasoline per hour worked, now 1.5 gallons. Bread on
sale, 5 loaves for one hour, now 2 loaves. Hamburger or chopped
meat 5 lbs per hour worked, now 2.5 lbs. A brand new normal non
exotic car was around 1500-1800 hours labor, now 2500-2800. And
similar for all other ancillary costs, heating, your electric
bill, medical insurance (that is way high now, absolutely no
comparison, it used to be more or less ridiculous cheap for
coverage, very few jobs didn't have at least a medical plan
with them, even part time jobs had it at subsidy). I am just not
seeing the advantages at all. I worked at minimum rage back then
and could afford an apartment that was decent, a good enough used
car, all the good food I could eat plus a few restaurant meals a
week, entertainment, mild travel and vacation, some savings, and
so on, on a *minimum wage* pay scale. Anything above that, say an
entry level union manufacturing job or construction job, that was
plenty of cash. No want for anything. No worries.
I can technically understand the *theory* of globalization, that
is easy enough, but am not seeing the actual "in
practice" advantages from a US low end perspective (which is
how I relate to this article). I can get lead based toys and
dogfood at walmart cheaper? Oh goody... now, to be fair, a few
things are definitely cheaper no matter what, computers at the
top of the list, they didn't even exist for joe sixpack back
then, and the breakup of ma bell giving us at least some
reasonable affordable time to talk to friends and relatives long
distance. But that had nothing to do with globalization either,
just they wanted to stave off outright revolt over it once it
became apparent that tech advances had made their pricing models
and monopoly status completely unacceptable. The TV show Laugh In
probably had as much to do with that as anything, just shamed
them so much and it was so obvious and all.
Most everything else though...not seeing any advantage, just
pseudo wealth numbers they trot out on cue based on illusionary
credit IOUs for the future generations to deal with, they go way
out of their way to equate credit with produced wealth and call
that a good economy. Well, no, it isn't. It is a slick way to
separate wealth from huge numbers of people and get it into the
hands of a smaller number of people, but just creating a thousand
new forms of IOUs is not wealth production. And according to that
article and a slew of others, a LOT of people are sliding
downhill into that economic range and fast, and once below that
point it is one paycheck from poverty out on the street. I
don't know what is going to give first, but something is.
I'm noticing this more and more - even here in Australia.
Between us, my wife and I combined earn a fair bit over $100k p/a
and I wouldn't consider us at all well off.
Sure, we've got it a lot easier than someone on the minimum
wage, but there are no lavish international holidays, or caviar
dinners or anything like that.
More so than fuel, the cost of housing has gone up so sharply in
recent years that the average house in an Australian capital city
is so far out of reach of anyone earning the average wage, let
alone a minimum wage, that it's just not funny.
We have one car between us, as 12 year old VW Golf, we have a
mortgage that's gone up $100's in the past few years with
interest rate rises, we conserve water and electricity, and we
are not struggling by any stretch of the imagination, but
we're not super well-off either...
We're looking at moving in closer to the city, currently
living around 20-25km from the CBD, and we've got no
realistic way of affording to move any closer to the city, unless
we downsize to something that's half what we have now, and
then we'd still be paying $100-200k on top of what we could
realistically sell our place for...
Don't even get me started on petrol price increases!
Probably doesn't help that the idiots in charge use monetary
inflation to lower real wages in a vain attempt to rein in price
inflation that was caused by the monetary inflation in the first
place.
You would think that the '70 would have demonstrated how
wrong these theories are since stagflation by its very nature
can not exist under the Keynesian model that is still
used by the Powers That Be to fiddle and fuss with the economy.
Didn't actually read more than the first page of TFA so
don't know who they are demonizing this time instead of
placing the blame directly on the doorstep of the Fed where it
belongs.
Lord Keynes is just as bad as Ricardo and Mises- all of them were
looking at the world through the rose colored glasses of the
basic assumption of capitalism "That which is best for me is
best for everybody else also, as long as I make money at
it".
That assumption is pure hogwash. Without planning for the
future, the human race is bound to fail for every famine that
comes along. Without LOCALIZED planning for the future, the
planning just gets too complicated to manage properly.
Thus, "central" planning, "central" banks,
and "central" chaotic markets are all designed
for failure- we have them only because of the faith of unthinking
individuals in the goodness of greed.
I can technically understand the *theory* of globalization,
that is easy enough, but am not seeing the actual "in
practice" advantages from a US low end perspective (which is
how I relate to this article). I can get lead based toys and
dogfood at walmart cheaper? Oh goody...
That's because the theory, while it looks good on paper and
can be proven mathematically, is based upon assumptions that are
pure hogwash in the real world.
Ricardo and Mises are not worth the unthinking worship certain
libertarians give them- they are in fact liars of the first
order, and their lies are being used to destroy the middle class
in America.
Why you insist on the ad hominem attacks on every issue with
absolutely no substance behind your assertations is beyond me.
Why don't you go learn what their positions were on issues
like this instead of calling them 'liars of the first
order' like some little kid who hasn't learned to reason
on his own yet.
I should have thought that would have been obvious by now-
I'm a skeptic with OCD who happens to see through your
neurotypical reasoning.
Why don't you go learn what their positions were on
issues like this instead of calling them 'liars of the first
order' like some little kid who hasn't learned to reason
on his own yet.
Because their positions are based on their assumptions, and their
assumptions were lies.
For instance, the assumption that private property is a natural
right.
Or another, the assumption that having wealth is a good thing.
These are nothing more than myths; intended to support the status
quo.
Because their positions are based on their assumptions, and
their assumptions were lies.
Yeah, that's what you get from listening to the god of
Abraham and that Jesus guy.
For instance, the assumption that private property is a
natural right.
You can't even make a counter-argument outside of the context
of private property—what was your last one, the tree
sprites own everything?
Or another, the assumption that having wealth is a good
thing.
Well, you don't seem to mind living in luxury that even kings
couldn't imagine a century ago.
How did this happen you may wonder, how did humanity break out of
the abject poverty of the Dark Ages?
I'll leave you to ponder over that since you believe the
feudalistic Dark Ages was the pinnacle of society.
But, anyway, all you do is make unsupported assertions. You have
yet to show how private property is a lie (aside from your
equally unsupported belief that the tree sprites own everything)
and how 'wealth' is an inherently bad thing. In fact,
most of your statements contradict this position.
Oh, and what exactly is 'neurotypical reasoning', some PC
term to make me feel guilty because I'm not 'special'
or something?
Yeah, that's what you get from listening to the god of
Abraham and that Jesus guy.
And the Dali Lama, and Guatama Buddha, and that Mohammed
fellow....plus every medicine man or tribal chief for the last
1.5 million years.
You can't even make a counter-argument outside of the
context of private property—what was your last one, the
tree sprites own everything?
Just pointing out that the context of private property is just a
much of a myth as anything else- that it isn't a universal
truth nor is it obvious to everybody. It's just yet
another religious belief, held by those who think that Austrian
Economists are god.
Well, you don't seem to mind living in luxury that even
kings couldn't imagine a century ago.
Really? You have servants dressing you in the morning, and
an army of landscapers taking care of your house?
Luxury is very much in the eye of the beholder, and is
NOT a universal value.
How did this happen you may wonder, how did humanity break
out of the abject poverty of the Dark Ages?
Only materialists think that the Dark Ages was impoverished for a
start. The average peasant serf had far more freedom, for
instance, than a modern man living in debt.
I'll leave you to ponder over that since you believe the
feudalistic Dark Ages was the pinnacle of society.
Well, it was better than a society built out of debt slavery to
self-styled "rich men" who worship a bunch of
economists who couldn't even take criticism.
But, anyway, all you do is make unsupported assertions. You
have yet to show how private property is a lie (aside from your
equally unsupported belief that the tree sprites own everything)
and how 'wealth' is an inherently bad thing. In fact,
most of your statements contradict this position.
Depends upon your definition of wealth. I personally think
piling up numbers in a computer and calling it "money"
is a waste of time and labor- that we'd be better off if the
entire financial industry quit tomorrow and went to work in
construction and agrictulture and manufacturing.
But then again, I think that rain is wet, so what do I know?
Why do you keep trying to drag Austrian economists into this? You
act as if not only are they the only group of people on the
planet who believe in private property but that the ruling elite
actually follows their theories—both of which are blatantly
false.
So I take it we're in agreement that every religious leader
for the last 1.5 million years believed in private property then?
Aside from the tree sprites of course.
Other than that all I see is a bunch of baseless accusations and
ignorant ad hominem attacks, no actual argument at all.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but nobody cares
enough about how you believe the world should be run to change
their behavior so as to bring in your proposed return to serfdom,
well, after the billions of people die off as you also advocate
that is.
You should try 'neurotypical reasoning' sometime, it
works pretty well in making a non-fallacious argument.
Why do you keep trying to drag Austrian economists into this?
You act as if not only are they the only group of people on the
planet who believe in private property but that the ruling elite
actually follows their theories—both of which are blatantly
false.
It's more that the ruling elite keeps quoting their obviously
flawed theories at me whenever I point out the truth- that free
trade only makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.
We'd be better off without liberty at all than forced into
starvation by bad trade deals.
So I take it we're in agreement that every religious
leader for the last 1.5 million years believed in private
property then? Aside from the tree sprites of course.
No, we're not- in fact, philosophically, how can you own
something that existed long before your race came into existance,
and will exist long after the human species has disappeared from
the universe forever?
Private property IS something the religious leaders believed in-
they believed it was a horrible concept, often misused, to the
sprititual destruction both of those who accumulated it and those
to whom it was denied.
Other than that all I see is a bunch of baseless accusations
and ignorant ad hominem attacks, no actual argument at all.
That's because you've proven yourself to be unable to
step outside your ideological viewpoint and find another way.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but nobody cares
enough about how you believe the world should be run to change
their behavior so as to bring in your proposed return to serfdom,
well, after the billions of people die off as you also advocate
that is.
I don't care if they do or not. That's the beauty
of a truly distributed economy- as long as they're willing to
leave my little corner of the planet and not come calling in with
their fake "credit" cons, as long as they are willing
to let me grow food on my place, as long as their armies leave me
alone and protect me from other armies coming in to do the same
damage, that's fine with me.
You should try 'neurotypical reasoning' sometime, it
works pretty well in making a non-fallacious argument.
See, that's the problem with neurotypicals- they think
everybody is like them, and that their "reasoning" is
something other than making excuses for bad behavior after the
fact.
Ricardo and Mises are not worth the unthinking worship
certain libertarians give them- they are in fact liars of the
first order, and their lies are being used to destroy the middle
class in America.
Their lies aren't what's destroying the middle class in
America. Technology is largely the culprit. I define technology
as "the application of knowledge to gain an advantage".
Those who use technology effectively have an advantage over those
who don't. And technology today has reached a stage where
that advantage is considerable.
Let's take a simple job: digging ditches. And let's
explore this task from the bottom of the economic scale to the
top.
Starting at the extreme end of poverty, you have somebody who is
basically naked. Lacking any kind of technological application,
he/she is armed with his/her hands and the ditch-digging is very,
very slow.
Add a smidgeon of technology - a stick - and you find that the
ditch digging increases significantly. Being able to loosen up
the dirt before scratching at it with your fingers does improve
your performance markedly. Let's say the going is now 5x
faster than bare fingers.
Enter in the iron age, and put a flat, iron wedge at the end of
the stick. Now it's a shovel, and the same tool you use for
loosening the dirt now is able to dig it out in a smooth, easy
motion. I think it's safe to assume that performance now
improves another 5x.
Then we add still more technology like horses and dynamite.
Dynamite dramatically improves performance when digging ditches
in extremely rocky soil, and horses allow for the moving and
carrying of castoffs over long distances. In rocky or difficult
cases, these technologies add as much as 100x performance! Since
most ditches aren't dug in rocky soil, we'll assume (for
the sake of argument and simplicity) that these add another 5x
overall performance from the previous stage of technology.
Then, we get into the machine age. Steam and/or gasoline engines
driving hydraulic buckets, able to move a houseful of dirt and/or
rocks at once. Very expensive to develop, but raw performance is
so dramatically improved it goes off the scale. Assume *another*
5x in general performance.
Improvements in manufacturing and distribution then make it
highly affordable for just about anyone to use a backhoe. Today,
I can rent a backhoe for an afternoon, and pay for it with money
earned *that day*. That effectively brings the cost of the
technology so close to zero that just about anyone can take
advantage of it. If I do it every day, I probably should buy my
own equipment to reduce long-term costs. But I sure don't
have to. This makes the use of the technology even more
accessible and improves overall ditch-digging performance yet
another order of magnitude, because *anyone* can do it. Assume at
least another 5x in general performance.
Notice the trend?
It's not just that each stage of technology improves
performance - it's that each stage of technological
advancement improves overall performance exponentially.
And even though we accept that pay scales do not mirror
performance 1:1, we will pay the guys with a backhoe WAY more
than we'd pay the po' folks with shovels.
And the advance of technology is so incredibly cheap, nowadays.
If you are smart and careful, the cost of a startup can be
realized in well under $250,000. And it doesn't have to be
cash. If you have some reasonable skills, you can easily pay with
your time. And you can get many reasonable skills for $100 worth
of books at your local bookstore.
Technology is cheaper today than ever. Those you find at the top
of the payscale are increasingly those who discover the power of
today's technology and make effective use of it. Those who
are poor are those who still think that "working hard"
is more valuable than "working smart".
Want to get rich? Find the highest "high tech" that you
can manage, and become an expert in it. By definition, you are
leveraging the hardest with the most advanced technology. Use the
technology to create wealth: reduce expenses for your clients
while giving them new capabilities, watch your expenses
carefully, and go for it!
Back to the "middle class": The unfortunate side effect
of this change, the advance of technology (especially,
information technology) is that you increasingly don't have
the choice to NOT go for it. You either take advantage of the
rapid advancements in technology, or you get left in the dirt.
It's a side-effect of the technology
singularity. It's real. It's not a joke or an
"academic concept". As the doubling time of technology
shrinks, the apparent stability of our economic class system
becomes increasingly shaky.
Get used to it - it's going to get worse long before it gets
better, if it's ever possible to return to the "good old
days" of the traditional economic classes! I suspect that
the new order of stability will be based around an increasing
form of socialism, which closely mirrors what society has, in
fact, been doing for the past 50 years! More and more of the G8
are socialistic, with socialized medicine, low-income benefits,
and the like on the rise.
I suspect that the new order of stability will be based
around an increasing form of socialism, which closely mirrors
what society has, in fact, been doing for the past 50 years!
More and more of the G8 are socialistic, with socialized
medicine, low-income benefits, and the like on the rise.
Unfortunately socialism is an impossible dream.
The G8 social programs were built on the back of the built up
capital from the freer days where there was minimal interference
in the market. These days all that capital has been used up as
can be seen by every government program having immediate effects
on the economy that wasn't the case when they started out on
this journey post-WWII.
I can think of no entitlement program that isn't at least
partially unfunded over the short term and near impossible for
the long. Corporate income taxes are so high that businesses are
leaving the country in droves (globalism is all about cheap
labor?) and the worker's wages are in such dire straights
because of the double taxation of inflation and income tax that
it would be political suicide to even suggest increasing the
burden placed upon them.
Europe covered their social program deficit mostly through the
sale of bonds (just like the US) to China who was both
subsidizing their exports and trying to keep domestic inflation
down. It doesn't look too good for that source of income in
the future as the BRIC nations are taking off in their own right
so now the G8 is left with the question of how to continue
funding all these programs that are both politically popular and
unable to be paid for.
The US is in slightly better shape since we haven't fully
gone down the government monopoly of 'essential' services
route but that will change as soon as St. Obama gets his hands on
the reins of power. The real problem will be how to fund anything
since the federal deficit has been effectively doubled through
the bailout of Freddie Mac and Fannie May to something like $15
trillion.
Want to get rich? Find the highest "high tech" that
you can manage, and become an expert in it. By definition, you
are leveraging the hardest with the most advanced technology. Use
the technology to create wealth: reduce expenses for your clients
while giving them new capabilities, watch your expenses
carefully, and go for it!
At which point some kid halfway around the world with a
subsidised education will be perfectly willing to become just as
expert as you are- and work for 1/100th your minimum wage.
Working Smarter is already going the way of working
harder- you're completely right about technology
becomeing cheaper being the problem, but a lack of socialistic
protectionism is also a huge part of the problem, because that
kid raised in socialism was able to become an expert in half the
time and a fraction of the cost that you are in the first world.
In the last
few months I have read many articles about the minimum wage, the
benefits, the downsides, the alleged downsides. Besides hearing a lot of pretty silly arguments
both for and against, the one thing I sort of walked away with
was this idea that while Minimum Wage is on the whole a pretty
good idea, it was treating a symptom rather than the disease and
thus never going to accomplish all of what it really needed to
accomplish.
Also I could
say much the same thing about “globalization” and of
“NAFTA” … a lot of silly arguments for and
against and I walked the idea that we may never know if either is
a really good idea because the people who are negatively effected
by such things are very, very, very much not a priority for the
ruling class. If they were, it is
entirely possible that a host of really interesting things could
be going on using the benefits of globalization to enable those
negatively effected to change their lives in such way as to
benefit.
Lastly I have
a hard time being sympathetic with many people who are now
feeling the economic pinch. Extremist
Consumerism is, and has been, the high fashion in the
US. People made serious decisions
with long term obligations which were predicated on cheap &
easy credit and on cheap & easy energy. All the while there are events demonstrating
that neither energy or credit are either cheap or
easy. All the while ignoring the
advice of folks warning that such decisions probably
weren’t the best way to proceed. And look at what they got for this mainstream
“consumer” products are
universally defined as being far more style that
substance… cheap plastic crap, toys with lead inside, food
of little to no nutritious value, disposable energy inefficient
& polluting cars. That’s no
better than spending all your money on hookers and gin.
A minimum wage is needed and should keep pace with inflation,
especially in a global economy. People need to have a minimum
standard of living defined by their culture. This is assuming
that they choose to work. I gave up on places like RentaCoder as
there was no way for me to compete on cost and I did not have the
experience to compete on skill.
NAFTA and globalization are great, for the large companies
positioned to make money from them. I do mean "make",
not "earn". I might have missed it, but I've not
heard of any new jobs being created in the US, only of jobs
moving South, since NAFTA. There must have been more inspectors
hired for the ports and border entry points, right? And the
factory worker in the US picks up a job in the service industry,
with less real income, to buy cheaper stuff made elsewhere. The
C*O and Investor class get the difference.
I agree on the greedy consumerism being way over the top, well
into avarice.
Actually, I personally think we need a steady state economy- not
only an international minimum wage- but to stop
inflation/deflation and the incredibly idiotic business cycle, we
also need an international MAXIMUM wage.
Maybe link the minimum salary to the maximum salary within a
company, say the maximum is no more than 100 times the minimum.
An $8 hour 40 hr per week employee grosses $16,640 with the
highest paid C*O making $1,664,000.
US Economic Schism Growing
There is a fast widening split in the US economically, it's in the middle of what is loosely termed "middle class" and obviously the split and hurt is being felt more at the low end. Recent minor minimum wage hikes aren't even close to addressing real world price hikes for most everything, and the situation is getting dire for a lot of people as they are forced to not choose between necessities and luxuries, but just between necessities. According to the article, a lot of those folks at that end still have hope for the future, but that is easy enough to see how that is possible, hope by itself costs $0 and still won't pay bill one.
For many low-wage workers, financial struggles persist and anxiety is high even when the economy is humming. Most of them occupy an uneasy and often overlooked place on the nation's economic spectrum, hovering above poverty but still grasping for the relative comfort of the middle class. ed.z.: you can throw all the numbers in terms of dollars at any situation you want, but bottom line is, at minimum rage levels and a little above, the subject of the above article, you are trading hours of labor for other goods and services. And I contend, when you look at it that way, that globalization for a lot of people in the US has been an outright disaster. I've mused on this before and offer a general perspective from back when we didn't have near as much fast globalization and the US was still a manufacturing -wealth production- powerhouse for all goods, not just a few goods. We still produced wealth then in the real sense, we weren't "in debt", we had general savings, etc, totally different now. The US made everything, from sneakers to moon rockets, televisions to every piece of furniture and appliance in the house, almost all the clothes people wore, made here, and so on. all of the above.
Then and now. Minimum wage=one hour labor for this example. Then- 4-5 gallons gasoline per hour worked, now 1.5 gallons. Bread on sale, 5 loaves for one hour, now 2 loaves. Hamburger or chopped meat 5 lbs per hour worked, now 2.5 lbs. A brand new normal non exotic car was around 1500-1800 hours labor, now 2500-2800. And similar for all other ancillary costs, heating, your electric bill, medical insurance (that is way high now, absolutely no comparison, it used to be more or less ridiculous cheap for coverage, very few jobs didn't have at least a medical plan with them, even part time jobs had it at subsidy). I am just not seeing the advantages at all. I worked at minimum rage back then and could afford an apartment that was decent, a good enough used car, all the good food I could eat plus a few restaurant meals a week, entertainment, mild travel and vacation, some savings, and so on, on a *minimum wage* pay scale. Anything above that, say an entry level union manufacturing job or construction job, that was plenty of cash. No want for anything. No worries.
I can technically understand the *theory* of globalization, that is easy enough, but am not seeing the actual "in practice" advantages from a US low end perspective (which is how I relate to this article). I can get lead based toys and dogfood at walmart cheaper? Oh goody... now, to be fair, a few things are definitely cheaper no matter what, computers at the top of the list, they didn't even exist for joe sixpack back then, and the breakup of ma bell giving us at least some reasonable affordable time to talk to friends and relatives long distance. But that had nothing to do with globalization either, just they wanted to stave off outright revolt over it once it became apparent that tech advances had made their pricing models and monopoly status completely unacceptable. The TV show Laugh In probably had as much to do with that as anything, just shamed them so much and it was so obvious and all.
Most everything else though...not seeing any advantage, just pseudo wealth numbers they trot out on cue based on illusionary credit IOUs for the future generations to deal with, they go way out of their way to equate credit with produced wealth and call that a good economy. Well, no, it isn't. It is a slick way to separate wealth from huge numbers of people and get it into the hands of a smaller number of people, but just creating a thousand new forms of IOUs is not wealth production. And according to that article and a slew of others, a LOT of people are sliding downhill into that economic range and fast, and once below that point it is one paycheck from poverty out on the street. I don't know what is going to give first, but something is.