We are already seeing "doping" scandals emerge right
before the Olympics, with suddenly announced retirements and so
on. But in the grand scheme of things,
where's the beef? According to this article, a lot of
"regular" people right now might possibly fail to
qualify for the Olympics because of drugs in their system, even
caffeine at too high of levels. So should they get stricter about
it, or just admit reality that the biochemical and surgical tech
and science is getting good enough now that enhanced humans will
be breaking records far into the future if it is allowed?
We fully expect all these same advances to be taken advantage of
in the normal non competing public, so where is the problem
again, and where can you honestly draw a line over what is
"natural" or not? If a ligament is repaired surgically,
is it still natural, compared to a ligament rearranged for more
efficiency? It's artificial surgery on a piece of the body,
there is no real difference when you look at it that way, so how
far should we go in advancing this or restricting it? Aren't
athletes supposed to have the same rights as non athletes?
The way technology is being integrated into athletics lags
behind the way the rest of society treats new discoveries, in
part because the sports world's policies on enhancement are
still committed to the venerable ideal of all-natural human
performance. But this notion is a charade: Athletes are already
highly dependent on all manner of technology, including
aerodynamic uniforms and carefully calibrated nutrition
supplements.
ed.z.: Very good points, especially the charade part, both
with chemical and surgical enhancements and the old amateur
versus professional status, which was blown long ago despite
vigorous denials (college team sports are amateur, what a
complete giggle that has been for years).
They say they have to restrict this or that to
"protect" the athlete and keep the sport
pure...well..uhh...it's not illegal to jump off of ski jumps
or go extreme rock climbing or cave diving or 200 MPH motorsports
racing or any other fairly dangerous and exacting sport in the
first place, so where can you put a "too dangerous"
threshold? Just running a marathon in 90 degree summer heat is
freaking dangerous to start with, why is it legal again if they
want to protect people? If people really want to push their
personal limits, well, ain't it their body, especially once
they have hit adult legal status and are allowed to make all
their own decisions without the state or some "governing
body" stepping in? If a sport is dangerous enough that even
a "normal" non enhanced participant can get seriously
hurt, like what happens all the time, hurt enough to require
medical care including surgery and drugs and long recovery times
and so on, doesn't this blow the "natural and
protecting" part in the first place? They sure weren't
protected enough and they sure required an enhancement to keep
functioning! So, after the fact is OK, it is "safe and
natural" versus before the fact which is
"forbidden", and that's the ethical big dividing
line? Isn't that like buckling your seatbelt after a crash?
Scientific American once stated that unenhanced
olympics were a thing of the past. Genetic doping is
effective and undetectable. Unfortunately that article requires a
subscription.
They say they have to restrict this or that to
"protect" the athlete and keep the sport
pure...well..uhh...it's not illegal to jump off of ski jumps
or go extreme rock climbing
Risks are inherent in most sports. All have regulations to reduce
the deathcount. Leaving dangerous sports unregulated will
inevitably cause competitors to take greater and greater risks if
they see a payoff in performance. It's hard to draw a line,
but that's not a reason to throw up your hands and let
athletes die prematurely as the price of competition.
The Doping Dilemma
Some who did go along with the pressure to dope paid an even
higher price. Casado, for instance, left LeMond's team to
join one that had a doping program--and died suddenly in 1995
at age 30. Whether his death resulted directly from doping is
not known, but when HCT reaches around 60 percent and higher,
the blood becomes so thick that clots readily form. The danger
is particularly high when the heart rate slows during
sleep--and the resting heart rates of endurance athletes are
renowned for measuring in the low 30s (in beats per minute).
Two champion Dutch riders died of heart attacks after
experimenting with r-EPO.
Their article doesn't exactly explain how that is supposed to
work. After the athlete wins, we wait 10-20 years to make sure
that he's still healthy, and then run the awards ceremony?
Yawn.
And what if he does get cancer in that time --- in many cases the
likelihood is very small that it was caused by what he did to
prepare for the athletic event in question.
The last two paragraphs of that article also undercut the whole
idea of the rest of it --- it effectively says, so what if
it's not totally safe, athletes have always taken risks. This
appears to be "raising the bar" of the "safeness
test" almost to the point that if the athlete doesn't
drop dead before they manage to hang the medal on him/her, it was
OK. I.e., it's not "safe rather than fair",
it's "let them do anything they want to risk
doing".
Hey, zogger, sorry I haven't been paying attention if
you've been doing this for a long time, but do you always
just italicize your quotes from the linked article(s)?
Personally, I'd prefer if you use blockquote tags or at least
have "From the article:" before it.
Back in 2007 one of the stories released for the 2007
INTERNATIONAL PIXEL-STAINED TECHNOPEASANT DAY was 'Perfect
Stranger' by Amy Sterling Casil.
It was originally published in The Magazine of Fantasy and
Science Fiction.
It's not a long story (14 pages - large typeface).
If you read it you will never look at using technology to augment
humans the same ever again. I don't mean it will make you
change what you think --it's not that kind of story, exactly.
But I promise you will have been exposed to an insightful
viewpoint --I think that's the best way I can put it.
No discussion of or about "where can you honestly draw a
line over what is "natural" or not?" should ever
be held (in my opine) without this story being required reading
first.
You may have gathered by now that I found it ... profoundly
interesting. I hope any that take the time to read it may find it
as... interesting... as I did.
I was all disappointed when I found this was about sports and
doping. I was hoping we were going to legalize genetically
engineered superhumans. On the other hand, we'd probably
either enslave them or
try to make them fight our wars for
us, and after a while they'd revolt, and that would totally
suck.
Obviously the solution is to be controlled about what
enhancements to accept, and slowly integrate them into human
society so there's no sudden group of superior humans to piss
off massively.
Ok, I'm a nerdy software engineer, but I live with the
understanding that I am what I am by choice. I do what I do
because I like what I do and it makes me happy. While I do run
significant distances (average about 10-20 miles/week) I
don't do it for sport, I do it for my health.
But I live with a basic understanding: if I decided that sports
were IT for me, if I decided to be a world-class cross-country
runner instead of a "bang out a mile or two at the end of
the day to relieve stress and keep my bourgioning health
considerations at bay, I'd have as much chance as anybody
else.
Yeah, deep down, I know it's a fiction. Genetics have not
been nice to me. I have a long torso, short legs, and weak knees.
(I've already had an arthroscopy on my right leg) Truthfully,
a guy like me doesn't have "what it takes" to
become a world-class long distance runner. But I do feel like
people from every economic class can become a world-class long
distance runner, I don't feel like I could or should be able
to buy my way into being number one.
Feeling good about sports is feeling as though you could be
there, as though you could be a Brent Favre if you really wanted
to, and if you had a certain mojo that really feels like luck.
But if you could *buy* your way into being a Brent Favre, that
just takes the fun out of it. It's no longer a respect for
somebody's skill and dedication as much as a respect for
their money. Might as well be a nice car or private plane.
Shucks.
(speaking of private planes: has anybody else drooled as much
over a
Terrafugia hybrid plane as I have? God, I hope it passes the
flight certification!)
A Case for Legalizing Enhanced Humans
We are already seeing "doping" scandals emerge right before the Olympics, with suddenly announced retirements and so on. But in the grand scheme of things, where's the beef? According to this article, a lot of "regular" people right now might possibly fail to qualify for the Olympics because of drugs in their system, even caffeine at too high of levels. So should they get stricter about it, or just admit reality that the biochemical and surgical tech and science is getting good enough now that enhanced humans will be breaking records far into the future if it is allowed?
We fully expect all these same advances to be taken advantage of in the normal non competing public, so where is the problem again, and where can you honestly draw a line over what is "natural" or not? If a ligament is repaired surgically, is it still natural, compared to a ligament rearranged for more efficiency? It's artificial surgery on a piece of the body, there is no real difference when you look at it that way, so how far should we go in advancing this or restricting it? Aren't athletes supposed to have the same rights as non athletes?
The way technology is being integrated into athletics lags behind the way the rest of society treats new discoveries, in part because the sports world's policies on enhancement are still committed to the venerable ideal of all-natural human performance. But this notion is a charade: Athletes are already highly dependent on all manner of technology, including aerodynamic uniforms and carefully calibrated nutrition supplements.
ed.z.: Very good points, especially the charade part, both with chemical and surgical enhancements and the old amateur versus professional status, which was blown long ago despite vigorous denials (college team sports are amateur, what a complete giggle that has been for years).
They say they have to restrict this or that to "protect" the athlete and keep the sport pure...well..uhh...it's not illegal to jump off of ski jumps or go extreme rock climbing or cave diving or 200 MPH motorsports racing or any other fairly dangerous and exacting sport in the first place, so where can you put a "too dangerous" threshold? Just running a marathon in 90 degree summer heat is freaking dangerous to start with, why is it legal again if they want to protect people? If people really want to push their personal limits, well, ain't it their body, especially once they have hit adult legal status and are allowed to make all their own decisions without the state or some "governing body" stepping in? If a sport is dangerous enough that even a "normal" non enhanced participant can get seriously hurt, like what happens all the time, hurt enough to require medical care including surgery and drugs and long recovery times and so on, doesn't this blow the "natural and protecting" part in the first place? They sure weren't protected enough and they sure required an enhancement to keep functioning! So, after the fact is OK, it is "safe and natural" versus before the fact which is "forbidden", and that's the ethical big dividing line? Isn't that like buckling your seatbelt after a crash?